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Old 04-22-2009, 05:26 PM
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In misc.taxes.moderated, sandybeth wrote:

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> Why can't these brokerage firms get their numbers correct the first
> time??? Every year I have to file at least 1 amended return, this
> year I filed 2. TODAY--April 18th--I received yet another corrected
> statement from ETrade. They over-reported our qualified dividends by
> $23.00. Instead of 175, they are 152. At 15% tax rate, that makes
> the tax difference $3.30. Do I really have to file ANOTHER amended
> return for this small of a difference?
> Sandy


When I saw the subject, I wondered if you were having soldiers
staying at your home without permission. :-)

[posted as tax humor-- but at first I really did suspect it was a
post about a Bill of Rights thing.]

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Old 04-21-2009, 10:54 PM
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MyVeryOwnSelf wrote:
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> > > What about $193? It seems too large to ignore, but I have no
> > > comparisons, and haven't seen any IRS information about a lower
> > > limit.
> > > > > If the state return is amended also, that would be $60 extra. It
> > > seems sensible to amend it because if only federal is amended, the
> > > state carry- forwards to 2009 would be different from federal ones
> > > (capital loss carry- forward in this case), which sounds messy.


> I should've stated that the question is about extra payment to the tax
> collector (not a refund).


According to others in this group, there are some threshold amounts
below which the IRS won't necessarily pursue an underpayment. The tax
tables themselves (for most taxpayers under $100K taxable income) have
$50 steps built in (i.e. your income might rise or fall by that much and
still not change your tax).

Obviously these thresholds are not publicized. For $193 additional
balance due, I would file an amendment, and the state too, in your example.

I saw a client this year with a letter from the IRS saying, basically,
"you have a $105 credit, your tax due is $105, and oh by the way you owe
us $8 interest on the transaction so send us $8".

I was ready to track it down since my initial recollection was that the
client shouldn't have owed it, but he said it wasn't worth his time.

-Mark Bole

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Old 04-21-2009, 08:50 PM
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> > What about $193? It seems too large to ignore, but I have no
> > comparisons, and haven't seen any IRS information about a lower
> > limit.
> > > If the state return is amended also, that would be $60 extra. It

> > seems sensible to amend it because if only federal is amended, the
> > state carry- forwards to 2009 would be different from federal ones
> > (capital loss carry- forward in this case), which sounds messy.
> > If I amend for myself or a client to get a refund, the cost to the IRS

> is irrelevant to me, only my time counts. If I can amend and get
> back (net) the price of dinner out at someplace more than a fast food
> place, I'll do it.


I should've stated that the question is about extra payment to the tax
collector (not a refund).

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Old 04-21-2009, 12:21 AM
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MyVeryOwnSelf wrote:
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> > > ... that makes
> > > the tax difference $3.30. Do I really have to file ANOTHER amended
> > > return for this small of a difference?

> > For $3 I would not bother to amend. It costs the IRS about $35
> > to process each amended return.

> What about $193? It seems too large to ignore, but I have no comparisons,
> and haven't seen any IRS information about a lower limit.
> If the state return is amended also, that would be $60 extra. It seems
> sensible to amend it because if only federal is amended, the state carry-
> forwards to 2009 would be different from federal ones (capital loss carry-
> forward in this case), which sounds messy.


If I amend for myself or a client to get a refund, the cost to the IRS
is irrelevant to me, only my time counts. If I can amend and get back
(net) the price of dinner out at someplace more than a fast food place,
I'll do it.

-Mark Bole

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Old 04-20-2009, 09:59 PM
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> > ... that makes
> > the tax difference $3.30. Do I really have to file ANOTHER amended
> > return for this small of a difference?


> For $3 I would not bother to amend. It costs the IRS about $35
> to process each amended return.


What about $193? It seems too large to ignore, but I have no comparisons,
and haven't seen any IRS information about a lower limit.

If the state return is amended also, that would be $60 extra. It seems
sensible to amend it because if only federal is amended, the state carry-
forwards to 2009 would be different from federal ones (capital loss carry-
forward in this case), which sounds messy.

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Old 04-19-2009, 12:22 AM
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removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Apr 18, 1:16 pm, kam...[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:
> > For $3 I would not bother to amend. It costs the IRS about $35
> > to process each amended return.

> That seems cheap. How do they do it? Wouldn't it depend on the
> complexity of the return?


And the degree of accuracy, and speed. All three factors are part of
the cost/benefit equation. I suspect there are more, for example tax
year and refund or balance due on the new version.

-Mark Bole

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Old 04-18-2009, 09:41 PM
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On Apr 18, 1:16 pm, kam...[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:

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> For $3 I would not bother to amend. It costs the IRS about $35
> to process each amended return.


That seems cheap. How do they do it? Wouldn't it depend on the
complexity of the return?

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Old 04-18-2009, 08:16 PM
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In article <9aaa0c8b-acad-4b35-821b-78f53d608f28[at]z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> ,
sandybeth <sandyhb6[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Why can't these brokerage firms get their numbers correct the first
> time??? Every year I have to file at least 1 amended return, this
> year I filed 2. TODAY--April 18th--I received yet another corrected
> statement from ETrade. They over-reported our qualified dividends by
> $23.00. Instead of 175, they are 152. At 15% tax rate, that makes
> the tax difference $3.30. Do I really have to file ANOTHER amended
> return for this small of a difference?



For $3 I would not bother to amend. It costs the IRS about $35
to process each amended return.
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:10 PM
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Default The 3rd Amendment this year!

Why can't these brokerage firms get their numbers correct the first
time??? Every year I have to file at least 1 amended return, this
year I filed 2. TODAY--April 18th--I received yet another corrected
statement from ETrade. They over-reported our qualified dividends by
$23.00. Instead of 175, they are 152. At 15% tax rate, that makes
the tax difference $3.30. Do I really have to file ANOTHER amended
return for this small of a difference?
Sandy

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