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Old 04-03-2009, 12:46 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: payment for insurance policy renewals on 1099-MISC

In article <0h7Bl.15450$W06.8261[at]flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com> ,
Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Brew1 wrote:
> > Residual payments from the renewal of policies written by agents now
> > retired.
> > > I've had one client who receives these and we've always used Schedule

> > C. Just looked over a return with $16,000+ from a 1099-MISC, Box 7,
> > listed on Line 21. Not coming up with anything from my reference
> > materials; are these type of payments not subject to self-employment
> > taxes?
> > > My default position is that, without evidence to the contrary, I'm

> > going to put "nonemployee compensation" of greater than $400 on a
> > Schedule C. Would love it if someone can refer me to an exception for
> > this income.
> > > Thanks,

> > This question pops up so often the IRS actually added it to Pub 334:

> Insurance agent, retired. Income paid by an insurance company
> to a retired self-employed insurance agent based on a percentage
> of commissions received before retirement is reported on Schedule
> C or C-EZ. Also, renewal commissions and deferred commissions for
> sales made before retirement are generally reported on Schedule C
> or C-EZ.
> However, renewal commissions paid to the survivor of an insurance
> agent are not reported on Schedule C or C-EZ.


Similar to book royalties. Author's royalties go on Sch C
while a beneficiary of the author reports royalties on Sch E.

UltraTax allows you to report SE Income on Line 21 and to designate
it as being SE income, and will generate a Sch SE in that case.


So if commissions are taxable to the salesperson, I see no harm in
reporting that income on Line 21 and then generating a Sch SE.


SSA uses Sch SE to update its SE records, and doesn't care if
a ch C was filed or not.
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ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 04-02-2009, 06:15 PM
Alan
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Default Re: payment for insurance policy renewals on 1099-MISC

Brew1 wrote:
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> Residual payments from the renewal of policies written by agents now
> retired.
> I've had one client who receives these and we've always used Schedule
> C. Just looked over a return with $16,000+ from a 1099-MISC, Box 7,
> listed on Line 21. Not coming up with anything from my reference
> materials; are these type of payments not subject to self-employment
> taxes?
> My default position is that, without evidence to the contrary, I'm
> going to put "nonemployee compensation" of greater than $400 on a
> Schedule C. Would love it if someone can refer me to an exception for
> this income.
> Thanks,

This question pops up so often the IRS actually added it to Pub 334:

Insurance agent, retired. Income paid by an insurance company
to a retired self-employed insurance agent based on a percentage
of commissions received before retirement is reported on Schedule
C or C-EZ. Also, renewal commissions and deferred commissions for
sales made before retirement are generally reported on Schedule C
or C-EZ.

However, renewal commissions paid to the survivor of an insurance
agent are not reported on Schedule C or C-EZ.

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Old 04-02-2009, 04:51 PM
Brew1
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Default payment for insurance policy renewals on 1099-MISC

Residual payments from the renewal of policies written by agents now
retired.

I've had one client who receives these and we've always used Schedule
C. Just looked over a return with $16,000+ from a 1099-MISC, Box 7,
listed on Line 21. Not coming up with anything from my reference
materials; are these type of payments not subject to self-employment
taxes?

My default position is that, without evidence to the contrary, I'm
going to put "nonemployee compensation" of greater than $400 on a
Schedule C. Would love it if someone can refer me to an exception for
this income.

Thanks,

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