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Old 03-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Russ in San Diego
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On Mar 21, 11:19*am, "Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA"
<g...[at]alliancetax.com> wrote:
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> "Russ in San Diego" <russg...[at]gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c2950110-87c7-4552-92d2-aba0345c9ebe[at]c18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > A relative had some very significant dental surgery performed in 2007.
> > The doctor's office arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
> > her. *She paid much of that loan off in 2007, and the remainder in
> > 2008.
> > Since the lender was not the doctor's office, am I correct in assuming
> > that her loan payments in 2008 are not deductible?
> > And is it also the case that there's no way to carry forward these
> > medical expenses? *The cost was actually around double her income in
> > 2007.

> Your assessment is essentially correct. *BUT what you've missed is that
> since she used the loan proceeds to pay for dental expenses in 2007 ALL of
> those expenses were deductible in 2007.
> Remember, for a cash basis taxpayer you get to deduct expenses in the year
> you pay them. *She paid dental expenses in 2007, that she used a loan is
> besides the point. *Her dental expenses were deductible in 2007. *She may
> want to revisit her 2007 return, it may be beneficial for her to amend.
> Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA


Thanks. Actually, I didn't miss that. She actually DID deduct all
those medical expenses in 2007, reducing her taxable income to zero.
I prepared her taxes and came to the same conclusion as the consensus
here. I was just triple-checking because this relative has asked me
about it several times, and I wanted to verify my conclusion before
it's too late to file a 1040X, and while there's still time to reflect
any change in her 2008 return.

And now I'm confident I got it right. Unfortunately. 8-)

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Old 03-21-2009, 05:32 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Russ in San Diego" <russgoog[at]gmail.com> wrote
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> A relative had some very significant dental surgery performed in 2007.
> The doctor's office arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
> her. She paid much of that loan off in 2007, and the remainder in
> 2008.
> Since the lender was not the doctor's office, am I correct in assuming
> that her loan payments in 2008 are not deductible?
> And is it also the case that there's no way to carry forward these
> medical expenses? The cost was actually around double her income in
> 2007.




The medical expenses would be deductible when ~paid~, even if they were paid
with loan proceeds. So you're looking at a 2007 deduction, if any could be
taken. It doesn't matter when she paid the loan.

Medical expenses can not be carried forward or backward.





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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 03-21-2009, 05:25 PM
D. Stussy
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"Russ in San Diego" <russgoog[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> A relative had some very significant dental surgery performed in 2007.
> The doctor's office arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
> her. She paid much of that loan off in 2007, and the remainder in
> 2008.
> Since the lender was not the doctor's office, am I correct in assuming
> that her loan payments in 2008 are not deductible?
> And is it also the case that there's no way to carry forward these
> medical expenses? The cost was actually around double her income in
> 2007.


If there were any business loss at all, there could be an NOL. Also watch
for things like a state income tax refund for 2007 received during 2008 to
potentially (and probably0 be non-taxable under the tax-benefit rule.

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Old 03-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA
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"Russ in San Diego" <russgoog[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c2950110-87c7-4552-92d2-aba0345c9ebe[at]c18g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> A relative had some very significant dental surgery performed in 2007.
> The doctor's office arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
> her. She paid much of that loan off in 2007, and the remainder in
> 2008.
> Since the lender was not the doctor's office, am I correct in assuming
> that her loan payments in 2008 are not deductible?
> And is it also the case that there's no way to carry forward these
> medical expenses? The cost was actually around double her income in
> 2007.


Your assessment is essentially correct. BUT what you've missed is that
since she used the loan proceeds to pay for dental expenses in 2007 ALL of
those expenses were deductible in 2007.

Remember, for a cash basis taxpayer you get to deduct expenses in the year
you pay them. She paid dental expenses in 2007, that she used a loan is
besides the point. Her dental expenses were deductible in 2007. She may
want to revisit her 2007 return, it may be beneficial for her to amend.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

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Old 03-21-2009, 03:44 PM
Bill
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russgoog[at]gmail.com (Russ*in*San*Diego) posted:

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> A relative had some very significant dental
> surgery performed in 2007. The doctor's office
> arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
> her. She paid much of that loan off in 2007,
> and the remainder in 2008.


> Since the lender was not the doctor's office,
> am I correct in assuming that her loan
> payments in 2008 are not deductible?


> And is it also the case that there's no way to
> carry forward these medical expenses? The
> cost was actually around double her income in
> 2007.


> From your report, it seems that dental bill was actually paid in 2007,

with the proceeds of the loan.

Loan interest or payments are not deductible (except in the case of home
mortgage interest).
Also, there is no way to carry forward excess medical expenses.

Bill

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Old 03-21-2009, 03:25 PM
Russ in San Diego
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Default Dental expenses and loans

A relative had some very significant dental surgery performed in 2007.
The doctor's office arranged a loan with a third-party lender for
her. She paid much of that loan off in 2007, and the remainder in
2008.

Since the lender was not the doctor's office, am I correct in assuming
that her loan payments in 2008 are not deductible?

And is it also the case that there's no way to carry forward these
medical expenses? The cost was actually around double her income in
2007.

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