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Old 03-23-2009, 03:44 PM
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<removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 20, 9:27 pm, "Kevin" <ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > > No. See
> > > http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525...blink100098400

> > I appreciate your help; you may have saved me some serious money!

> The other thread says that the full reimbursement is taxable
> regardless of how much was deducted in the previous year. So maybe
> your accountant was right and my information was not. I'm looking for
> a court case on the internet for my learning.

But I've already spent the money!
Your explanation makes more sense, but obviously that isn't a contraint.
Thanks.

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Old 03-23-2009, 04:16 AM
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On Mar 20, 9:27 pm, "Kevin" <ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:

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> > No. See
> > http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525...blink100098400


> I appreciate your help; you may have saved me some serious money!


The other thread says that the full reimbursement is taxable
regardless of how much was deducted in the previous year. So maybe
your accountant was right and my information was not. I'm looking for
a court case on the internet for my learning.

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Old 03-21-2009, 03:27 AM
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> On Mar 20, 5:12 pm, "Kevin" <Ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure it is taxable if the legal fees were deducted; at least
> > that is what my attorney told me at the settlement.
> > > My question is if I couldn't deduct them because they didn't exceed 2% of

> > my
> > AGI; are they still taxable.

> No. See
> http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525...blink100098400
> Tax benefit rule. You must include a recovery in your income in the
> year you receive it up to the amount by which the deduction or credit
> you took for the recovered amount reduced your tax in the earlier
> year. For this purpose, any increase to an amount carried over to the
> current year that resulted from the deduction or credit is considered
> to have reduced your tax in the earlier year.
> And be aware, even if the legal fees did exceed 2% of AGI, the
> deduction is not allowed under AMT, so if you were under AMT you
> wouldn't have received a benefit from this deduction.
> If only part of the fees was deductible because of the 2% rule, then
> the reimbursement is only partly deductible in my opinion.

I appreciate your help; you may have saved me some serious money!

Lets say I got legal fee reimbursement of $60,000 in 2007 which covered
$20,000 paid in 2007 and $40,000 paid in earlier years.

I SHOULD have paid tax on $40,000 because that is all I deducted in earlier
years. The remaining $20,000 is not income because it simply offsets the
$20,000 in 2007 legal fees that I haven't deducted.

Is that it? I ran the numbers through Taxcut and it says that I get $8,000
back! (because I paid tax on the entire $60,000 and couldn't deduct the
$20,000 in legal fees.)

To take this one step further; if I only got to deduct $15,000 of that
$40,000 in earlier years because of either AMT or the 2% of AGI rule, than I
only have to pay taxes on $15,000 of the reimbursement; right?

That will take a few hours of work to straighten out, but if it saves me
another $10,000...

Although I did my tax return first on Taxcut for 2007 to get organized, I
had an accountant actually do it for real because it was complicated and I
wanted to make sure I didn't have any errors. He missed this.

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Old 03-21-2009, 12:42 AM
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On Mar 20, 5:12 pm, "Kevin" <Ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:

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> I am pretty sure it is taxable if the legal fees were deducted; at least
> that is what my attorney told me at the settlement.
> My question is if I couldn't deduct them because they didn't exceed 2% of my
> AGI; are they still taxable.


No. See http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525...blink100098400

Tax benefit rule. You must include a recovery in your income in the
year you receive it up to the amount by which the deduction or credit
you took for the recovered amount reduced your tax in the earlier
year. For this purpose, any increase to an amount carried over to the
current year that resulted from the deduction or credit is considered
to have reduced your tax in the earlier year.


And be aware, even if the legal fees did exceed 2% of AGI, the
deduction is not allowed under AMT, so if you were under AMT you
wouldn't have received a benefit from this deduction.


If only part of the fees was deductible because of the 2% rule, then
the reimbursement is only partly deductible in my opinion.

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Old 03-20-2009, 11:12 PM
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> On Mar 19, 5:49 pm, "Kevin" <Ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > I settled a lawsuit and got reimbursement for my legal fees.
> > > I didn't deduct the legal fees when I paid them because my miscellaneous

> > deductions didn't exceed 2% of my AGI as required.
> > > Do I have to PAY taxes on the reimbursement?

> > I don't think so. It's a reimbursement of expenses, net zero.

I am pretty sure it is taxable if the legal fees were deducted; at least
that is what my attorney told me at the settlement.

My question is if I couldn't deduct them because they didn't exceed 2% of my
AGI; are they still taxable.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:52 AM
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On Mar 19, 5:49*pm, "Kevin" <Ke...[at]rocketmail.com> wrote:
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> I settled a lawsuit and got reimbursement for my legal fees.
> I didn't deduct the legal fees when I paid them because my miscellaneous
> deductions didn't exceed 2% of my AGI as required.
> Do I have to PAY taxes on the reimbursement?


I don't think so. It's a reimbursement of expenses, net zero.

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Old 03-19-2009, 08:49 PM
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Default Pay taxes on reimbursement I didn't deduct?

I settled a lawsuit and got reimbursement for my legal fees.

I didn't deduct the legal fees when I paid them because my miscellaneous
deductions didn't exceed 2% of my AGI as required.

Do I have to PAY taxes on the reimbursement?

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