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Old 03-16-2009, 01:38 PM
Ron Hardin
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Default Re: Alt Min Tax from Capital Gains

Arthur Kamlet wrote:
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> > Capital gains are taxed the same under AMT as they are under the regular
> > system. It is the level of income which triggers AMT, not the capital gains
> > themselves. As AMTI rises above $150,000, you begin to lose the AMT
> > exemption at the rate of 25%. Net result is that $1 in capital gains raises
> > AMTI $1.25.
> > > Uncompensated advice guaranteed correct or double your money back

> That's pretty much it.
> Ron, you can find AMT popping up even if there's no state return.
> Kaye Thomas takes a few more words than Frank to explain the
> same problem -- capital gains increases income which pops you
> over the AMT exemption amount.
> See http://www.fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm


Well, it's beyond human comprehension; in my case, however, there's
no capital gain for 2008 (in fact, surprise!, a loss). The AMT comes
entirely from the deduction of the Ohio tax due in 2008 on the capital
gain in 2007, which deduction is big enough to trigger the AMT, if I
understand it.

That there's also a phaseout that hits the AMT in the same year as the capital
gain is just additional perverse data, but I think I missed that.

But who knows what turbotax is doing.

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Old 03-16-2009, 01:38 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: Alt Min Tax from Capital Gains

In article <C5E2C9D3.1265D%dukefs[at]one.net> ,
Frank S. Duke, Jr. <dukefs[at]one.net> wrote:
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> in article 49BC4DCD.EE5[at]mindspring.com, Ron Hardin at
> rhhardin[at]mindspring.com wrote on 3/15/09 1:43 PM:
> > I expecting the rule that capital gains by
> > themselves won't trigger the AMT.
> > > Surprise! The next year, the Ohio taxes paid on

> > the capital gain income cause a deduction which
> > triggers the Federal AMT.
> > > This is on capital gains alone.
> > > Just as well I sold in 2007, however.

> Capital gains are taxed the same under AMT as they are under the regular
> system. It is the level of income which triggers AMT, not the capital gains
> themselves. As AMTI rises above $150,000, you begin to lose the AMT
> exemption at the rate of 25%. Net result is that $1 in capital gains raises
> AMTI $1.25.
> Uncompensated advice guaranteed correct or double your money back



That's pretty much it.

Ron, you can find AMT popping up even if there's no state return.

Kaye Thomas takes a few more words than Frank to explain the
same problem -- capital gains increases income which pops you
over the AMT exemption amount.


See http://www.fairmark.com/amt/ltcg.htm


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Old 03-15-2009, 06:06 PM
Frank S. Duke, Jr.
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Default Re: Alt Min Tax from Capital Gains

in article 49BC4DCD.EE5[at]mindspring.com, Ron Hardin at
rhhardin[at]mindspring.com wrote on 3/15/09 1:43 PM:

- quote -

> I expecting the rule that capital gains by
> themselves won't trigger the AMT.
> Surprise! The next year, the Ohio taxes paid on
> the capital gain income cause a deduction which
> triggers the Federal AMT.
> This is on capital gains alone.
> Just as well I sold in 2007, however.

Capital gains are taxed the same under AMT as they are under the regular
system. It is the level of income which triggers AMT, not the capital gains
themselves. As AMTI rises above $150,000, you begin to lose the AMT
exemption at the rate of 25%. Net result is that $1 in capital gains raises
AMTI $1.25.

Uncompensated advice guaranteed correct or double your money back

Frank S. Duke, Jr. CPA
Cincinnati, OH USA

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Old 03-15-2009, 04:43 PM
Ron Hardin
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Default Alt Min Tax from Capital Gains

I expecting the rule that capital gains by
themselves won't trigger the AMT.

Surprise! The next year, the Ohio taxes paid on
the capital gain income cause a deduction which
triggers the Federal AMT.

This is on capital gains alone.

Just as well I sold in 2007, however.
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