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| In article <gq8jnf$7dt$1[at]reader1.panix.com> , Seth <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote: - quote - > In article <gpbu2n$v7t$1[at]blue.rahul.net> ,
As of one second after death, those particular bonds (having the death> Steve Pope <spope33[at]speedymail.org> wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 8:42 am, Jeffrey <JHI3...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > My Mother died in October of 2008. At that time she held corporate > > > > bonds. The bonds are in the process of being redeemed, they all had a > > > > death put clause. I have two questions regarding this situation: > > > > > 1. The estate will get the full value of the bonds (death put), even > > > > though some of them are selling for what she paid. Is there still a > > > > capital gain? > > > That depends on whether the bonds were amortized or not. > > > If they are successfully put, or sold, there is a capital gain. put) are worth par. So is the estate valued at the time of death, or at the end of that day? Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Mar 23, 2:17*pm, se...[at]panix.com (Seth) wrote: - quote - > Wouldn't they be worth par as of the alternative (6 months after
The alternative valuation date can only be elected (by the executor)> death) valuation date (especially if they've been put by then)? > Seth if both the taxable value of the estate and the estate tax are lower on the alternative date. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <gpbu2n$v7t$1[at]blue.rahul.net> , Steve Pope <spope33[at]speedymail.org> wrote: - quote - > > On Mar 12, 8:42 am, Jeffrey <JHI3...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
Wouldn't they be worth par as of the alternative (6 months after> > > My Mother died in October of 2008. At that time she held corporate > > > bonds. The bonds are in the process of being redeemed, they all had a > > > death put clause. I have two questions regarding this situation: > > > 1. The estate will get the full value of the bonds (death put), even > > > though some of them are selling for what she paid. Is there still a > > > capital gain? > > That depends on whether the bonds were amortized or not. > If they are successfully put, or sold, there is a capital gain. > The amortization election affects this gain. > What I am wondering is if there's a step-up in basis possible. death) valuation date (especially if they've been put by then)? Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > On Mar 12, 8:42 am, Jeffrey <JHI3...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
Tangentially, just because the bonds say "survivor put options" does> > My Mother died in October of 2008. At that time she held corporate > > bonds. The bonds are in the process of being redeemed, they all had a > > death put clause. I have two questions regarding this situation: > > 1. The estate will get the full value of the bonds (death put), even > > though some of them are selling for what she paid. Is there still a > > capital gain? not mean you will be able to put them. Often the bond issuer sets aside only a limited amount of funds to cover these puts, and when those funds are used up, you cannot put the bonds. - quote - > That depends on whether the bonds were amortized or not.
If they are successfully put, or sold, there is a capital gain.The amortization election affects this gain. What I am wondering is if there's a step-up in basis possible. Steve -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Mar 12, 8:42 am, Jeffrey <JHI3...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > My Mother died in October of 2008. At that time she held corporate
That depends on whether the bonds were amortized or not.> bonds. The bonds are in the process of being redeemed, they all had a > death put clause. I have two questions regarding this situation: > 1. The estate will get the full value of the bonds (death put), even > though some of them are selling for what she paid. Is there still a > capital gain? - quote - > 2. The process liquidating her bonds takes time. The estate is still
My understanding is that the trust needs to pay the tax. This is done> receiving the interest payments from these bonds (in 2009). How are > these treated tax wise? on form 1041. The table on page on page 27 of the instructions has the rates. The rates are high, and the exemption of $600 is small. You might need an expert to handle this thing. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1041.pdf -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| My Mother died in October of 2008. At that time she held corporate bonds. The bonds are in the process of being redeemed, they all had a death put clause. I have two questions regarding this situation: 1. The estate will get the full value of the bonds (death put), even though some of them are selling for what she paid. Is there still a capital gain? 2. The process liquidating her bonds takes time. The estate is still receiving the interest payments from these bonds (in 2009). How are these treated tax wise? Thanks. Jeff -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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