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| Thanks for the response. I have a few additional questions. Please see below. - quote - > > 1) Is that correct, or is there still a way for me to claim the full
Based on what you said, it seems my only option is collecting over the> > amount? > Points financed by the loan itself must be taken over the life of the loan. > Points remaining when the loan was refinanced are taken in the year of > refinance (2009). Therefore, you have nothing to amend for. > To have been allowed a deduction for the points in full in 2003, you must > have paid them (into the escrow account) from funds NOT part of the loan > proceeds. You didn't do that. life of the loan. - quote - > > 2) If not, would I need to file separate addendums for past tax years
It sounds like I do have the option of filing a 1040x for each of> > to get a 12 month deduction for the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 tax > > years? Again, based on the 3 year rule, I may be out of > > luck for amending tax year 2004. > 1/30th each year for the first mortgage, and 1/15th for the second. those years. Is that correct? Am I right about the 3 year limitation? - quote - > > 3) It would seem that I would still be eligible to claim all of the
Yes to the first or second question? Sorry, I should have split those> > (remaining) points in tax year 2009 (http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq/ > > 0,,id=199734,00.html), is that correct? That seems like the most > > painless way to recover all/most of the money. > Only for 25/30ths and 10/15ths respectively. > > Looking at my 1098s from 2003, I see that Box 2 is empty. Box 2 has > > been empty on every subsequent 1098 including those provided by the > > original lender and the new lenders. > > 4) Is that cause for concern? Is my copy of the HUD-1 sufficient proof > > that I paid points on the loans? > Generally, yes. up. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "pimy" <pimy103[at]gmail.com> wrote in message news:7bb03f4e-e5ce-45e8-aed3-f05896fe95a4[at]w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... - quote - > I purchased a home in 11/2003. It was financed using an 80%/10%/10% http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...age2_final.jpg> (1st loan/2nd loan/down payment) format. > The first loan was a conventional 30-year fixed. The second was a 15- > year balloon loan. Both were provided by the same lender. The first > payment was not due until 1/1/2004.The loans were resold > to separate lenders on March 10, 2004 (10% loan) and April 1, 2004 > (80% loan). > Here at links to some images of my HUD-1: http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...age1_final.jpg - quote - > Looking at my HUD-1 (page 1 lines 207, 208) it appears that I was
Points financed by the loan itself must be taken over the life of the loan.> charged a 1% lender discount credit for each of the loans. I take that > to mean I paid points. It was probably explained to me > 5 years ago, but I don't remember. > There was also a 1% origination fee on each of the loans (page 2 lines > 801, 805), but that seems to be the typical origination fee, and not a > code word for points. > The 1% discount credit for each of the loans seems to have been rolled > into the amount that I borrowed over the entire life of the loans. I > recently learned about discount points and that > they are normally tax deductible either in full in the same year of > the purchase, or over the life of the loan(s). > I just refinanced my home in Feb of this year. I would like to try to > get back as much as possible for the interest I paid on the 1% point. > I seem to meet all of the requirements for the > both the Deduction Allowed Ratably and Deduction Allowed in Year Paid > (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p936.pdf, p. 5). > It also looks like I only had up to 3 years to file a 1040x > (http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1040x/ch01.html) to claim the full > amount in tax year 2003. > 1) Is that correct, or is there still a way for me to claim the full > amount? Points remaining when the loan was refinanced are taken in the year of refinance (2009). Therefore, you have nothing to amend for. To have been allowed a deduction for the points in full in 2003, you must have paid them (into the escrow account) from funds NOT part of the loan proceeds. You didn't do that. - quote - > 2) If not, would I need to file separate addendums for past tax years
1/30th each year for the first mortgage, and 1/15th for the second.> to get a 12 month deduction for the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 tax > years? Again, based on the 3 year rule, I may be out of > luck for amending tax year 2004. - quote - > 3) It would seem that I would still be eligible to claim all of the
Only for 25/30ths and 10/15ths respectively.> (remaining) points in tax year 2009 (http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq/ > 0,,id=199734,00.html), is that correct? That seems like the most > painless way to recover all/most of the money. - quote - > Looking at my 1098s from 2003, I see that Box 2 is empty. Box 2 has
Generally, yes.> been empty on every subsequent 1098 including those provided by the > original lender and the new lenders. > 4) Is that cause for concern? Is my copy of the HUD-1 sufficient proof > that I paid points on the loans? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I purchased a home in 11/2003. It was financed using an 80%/10%/10% (1st loan/2nd loan/down payment) format. The first loan was a conventional 30-year fixed. The second was a 15- year balloon loan. Both were provided by the same lender. The first payment was not due until 1/1/2004.The loans were resold to separate lenders on March 10, 2004 (10% loan) and April 1, 2004 (80% loan). Here at links to some images of my HUD-1: http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...age1_final.jpg http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/t...age2_final.jpg Looking at my HUD-1 (page 1 lines 207, 208) it appears that I was charged a 1% lender discount credit for each of the loans. I take that to mean I paid points. It was probably explained to me 5 years ago, but I don't remember. There was also a 1% origination fee on each of the loans (page 2 lines 801, 805), but that seems to be the typical origination fee, and not a code word for points. The 1% discount credit for each of the loans seems to have been rolled into the amount that I borrowed over the entire life of the loans. I recently learned about discount points and that they are normally tax deductible either in full in the same year of the purchase, or over the life of the loan(s). I just refinanced my home in Feb of this year. I would like to try to get back as much as possible for the interest I paid on the 1% point. I seem to meet all of the requirements for the both the Deduction Allowed Ratably and Deduction Allowed in Year Paid (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p936.pdf, p. 5). It also looks like I only had up to 3 years to file a 1040x (http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1040x/ch01.html) to claim the full amount in tax year 2003. 1) Is that correct, or is there still a way for me to claim the full amount? 2) If not, would I need to file separate addendums for past tax years to get a 12 month deduction for the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 tax years? Again, based on the 3 year rule, I may be out of luck for amending tax year 2004. 3) It would seem that I would still be eligible to claim all of the (remaining) points in tax year 2009 (http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq/ 0,,id=199734,00.html), is that correct? That seems like the most painless way to recover all/most of the money. Looking at my 1098s from 2003, I see that Box 2 is empty. Box 2 has been empty on every subsequent 1098 including those provided by the original lender and the new lenders. 4) Is that cause for concern? Is my copy of the HUD-1 sufficient proof that I paid points on the loans? Thanks, pimy -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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