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| sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: - quote - > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:11:48 EDT, Drew Edmundson > <drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford > > <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > Wilson wrote: > > > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: > > > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming > > > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on > > > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to > > > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the right method? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > > > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > > > > > mention this. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA > > > > > Cary, NC > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This > > > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other > > > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see > > > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. > > > > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see > > > > that it should go to a Sch. C. > > > > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property. > > > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still > > > schedule c. > > It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a > > trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000 > > it seems it may very well be a business to report on > > schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page > > 16. > Oops, should be Pub. 525. Sorry. > Drew Thank you, that's better. -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: - quote - > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
site has the 2007 Pub. 535 posted and I can't see how info on pg. 16 relates> <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Wilson wrote: > > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: > > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming > > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on > > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to > > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > > > > > > > Which is the right method? > > > > > TIA > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > > > > mention this. > > > > > > > -- > > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA > > > > Cary, NC > > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This > > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other > > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see > > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. > > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see > > > that it should go to a Sch. C. > > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property. > > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still > > schedule c. > It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a > trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000 > it seems it may very well be a business to report on > schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page > 16. > Drew Edmundson, CPA > Cary, NC > > ChEAr$, > > Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA Drew, I'm not sure what you are pointing at on pg. 16 of Pub. 535. The IRS to this. -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:11:48 EDT, Drew Edmundson <drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
Oops, should be Pub. 525. Sorry.> <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Wilson wrote: > > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: > > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming > > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on > > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to > > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > > > > > > > Which is the right method? > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > > > > mention this. > > > > > > > -- > > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA > > > > Cary, NC > > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This > > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other > > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see > > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. > > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see > > > that it should go to a Sch. C. > > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property. > > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still > > schedule c. > It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a > trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000 > it seems it may very well be a business to report on > schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page > 16. Drew -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > Wilson wrote:
It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a> > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > > > > > Which is the right method? > > > > TIA > > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > > > mention this. > > > > > -- > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA > > > Cary, NC > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see > > that it should go to a Sch. C. > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property. > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still > schedule c. trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000 it seems it may very well be a business to report on schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page 16. Drew Edmundson, CPA Cary, NC - quote - > ChEAr$,
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| Wilson wrote: - quote - > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still> > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > wrote: > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > > > Which is the right method? > > > TIA > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > > mention this. > > > -- > > Drew Edmundson, CPA > > Cary, NC > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see > that it should go to a Sch. C. That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property. schedule c. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this: - quote - > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> wrote:
person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other> > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent > > he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't > > find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent > > receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > > > Which is the right method? > > TIA > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions > mention this. > -- > Drew Edmundson, CPA > Cary, NC Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36. If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see that it should go to a Sch. C. -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.comwrote: - quote - > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent
You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are> he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't > find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent > receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > Which is the right method? > TIA reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions mention this. -- Drew Edmundson, CPA Cary, NC -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| sometime in the recent past Wilson posted this: - quote - > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
suspicions.> rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. > E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to point that > the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > Which is the right method? > TIA Thank you to those that responded to my question. Your answers confirm my This was, I'm sure, another case of taxpayers trying to avoid the 15+% self-employment taxes. If the government really wanted to stimulate the economy (since small businesses create most of the jobs in this country,) then rolling back half the SE taxes would do it nicely. Certainly, it would be more direct than merely reducing income tax at the upper end as at least it goes directly to a business person in the trenches. -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Wilson" <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> wrote in message news:gov3le$ssd$1[at]news.motzarella.org... - quote - > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
The rental of personal property (equipment) is a Schedule C activity.rent > he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't > find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent > receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > Which is the right method? Schedule E rentals are real estate, excepting hotels (where the average stay is 7 days or less). -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Wilson wrote: - quote - > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
Follow your pointers! (grin)> rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. > E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to point that > the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. > Which is the right method? > TIA Yes, schedule e is for rental real estate and royalties. Equipment rental goes to schedule c. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ. Which is the right method? TIA -- Wilson N44º39" W67º12" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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