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Old 03-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Wilson
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sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
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> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:11:48 EDT, Drew Edmundson
> <drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
> > <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > Wilson wrote:
> > > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
> > > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming
> > > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on
> > > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to
> > > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > > > > > > > > > Which is the right method?
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
> > > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> > > > > mention this.
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA
> > > > > Cary, NC
> > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This
> > > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
> > > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see
> > > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.
> > > > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see
> > > > that it should go to a Sch. C.
> > > > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property.
> > > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still
> > > schedule c.

> > It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a
> > trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000
> > it seems it may very well be a business to report on
> > schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page
> > 16.

> Oops, should be Pub. 525. Sorry.
> Drew

Thank you, that's better.

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Old 03-12-2009, 02:43 PM
Wilson
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
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> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
> <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Wilson wrote:
> > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
> > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming
> > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on
> > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to
> > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > > > > > > > Which is the right method?
> > > > > TIA
> > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
> > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> > > > mention this.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA
> > > > Cary, NC
> > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This
> > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
> > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see
> > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.
> > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see
> > > that it should go to a Sch. C.
> > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property.

> > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still
> > schedule c.

> It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a
> trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000
> it seems it may very well be a business to report on
> schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page
> 16.
> Drew Edmundson, CPA
> Cary, NC
> > ChEAr$,
> > Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

Drew, I'm not sure what you are pointing at on pg. 16 of Pub. 535. The IRS
site has the 2007 Pub. 535 posted and I can't see how info on pg. 16 relates
to this.

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Old 03-12-2009, 12:59 PM
Drew Edmundson
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:11:48 EDT, Drew Edmundson
<drewsbeagles[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
> <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Wilson wrote:
> > > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
> > > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming
> > > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on
> > > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to
> > > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > > > > > > > Which is the right method?
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
> > > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> > > > mention this.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > Drew Edmundson, CPA
> > > > Cary, NC
> > > > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This
> > > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
> > > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see
> > > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.
> > > > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see
> > > that it should go to a Sch. C.
> > > > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property.

> > Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still
> > schedule c.

> It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a
> trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000
> it seems it may very well be a business to report on
> schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page
> 16.


Oops, should be Pub. 525. Sorry.

Drew

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Old 03-12-2009, 01:11 AM
Drew Edmundson
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:56:11 EDT, Harlan Lunsford
<lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Wilson wrote:
> > sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
> > > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > > wrote:
> > > > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming
> > > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on
> > > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to
> > > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > > > > > Which is the right method?
> > > > TIA
> > > > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
> > > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> > > mention this.
> > > > > --
> > > Drew Edmundson, CPA
> > > Cary, NC
> > > > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This

> > person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
> > truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see
> > it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.
> > > If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see

> > that it should go to a Sch. C.
> > That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property.

> Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still
> schedule c.


It isn't quite that simple. You have to determine if it is a
trade or business. Continuity is one factor and at $100,000
it seems it may very well be a business to report on
schedule C. More details are available in Pub 535 on page
16.

Drew Edmundson, CPA
Cary, NC
- quote -

> ChEAr$,
> Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA


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Old 03-11-2009, 07:56 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

Wilson wrote:
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> sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
> > On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> > wrote:
> > > > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming
> > > the rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on
> > > Sch. E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to
> > > point that the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > > > Which is the right method?
> > > TIA
> > > You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are

> > reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> > mention this.
> > > --

> > Drew Edmundson, CPA
> > Cary, NC
> > Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This

> person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
> truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see
> it, I would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.
> If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see
> that it should go to a Sch. C.

That "PPR" treatment is not for continuing rentals of personal property.
Since he is renting other truck as a regular activity, it's still
schedule c.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 03-11-2009, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

sometime in the recent past Drew Edmundson posted this:
- quote -

> On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> wrote:
> > I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent
> > he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't
> > find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent
> > receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> > > Which is the right method?

> > TIA

> You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
> reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
> mention this.
> --
> Drew Edmundson, CPA
> Cary, NC

Thanks for that info. That takes me in an entirely new direction. This
person's regular business is truck driving, but he rents out his other
truck. The rents run about $100K with about $50K in expenses. As I see it, I
would reference the 'PPR' on both ln. 21 & ln. 36.

If his regular business was renting tractor trailers, then I can see that it
should go to a Sch. C.

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Old 03-10-2009, 12:08 AM
Drew Edmundson
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Default Re: Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 22:28:46 EST, Wilson <highledge[at]roadrunner.comwrote:

- quote -

> I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent
> he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't
> find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent
> receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> Which is the right method?
> TIA


You may also want to look at personal property rentals which are
reported on Form 1040, lines 21 and 36. Only the line 36 instructions
mention this.

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Cary, NC

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Old 03-09-2009, 09:00 PM
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sometime in the recent past Wilson posted this:
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> I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
> rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch.
> E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to point that
> the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> Which is the right method?
> TIA

Thank you to those that responded to my question. Your answers confirm my
suspicions.

This was, I'm sure, another case of taxpayers trying to avoid the 15+%
self-employment taxes. If the government really wanted to stimulate the
economy (since small businesses create most of the jobs in this country,)
then rolling back half the SE taxes would do it nicely. Certainly, it would
be more direct than merely reducing income tax at the upper end as at least
it goes directly to a business person in the trenches.

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Old 03-08-2009, 08:17 PM
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"Wilson" <highledge[at]roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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> I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
rent
> he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I

can't
> find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent
> receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> Which is the right method?


The rental of personal property (equipment) is a Schedule C activity.
Schedule E rentals are real estate, excepting hotels (where the average
stay is 7 days or less).

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Old 03-08-2009, 03:02 PM
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Wilson wrote:
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> I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the
> rent he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch.
> E. I can't find any support for this as everything seems to point that
> the rent receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.
> Which is the right method?
> TIA


Follow your pointers! (grin)
Yes, schedule e is for rental real estate and royalties. Equipment
rental goes to schedule c.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 03-08-2009, 02:28 AM
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Default Can equipment rental go on Sch. E?

I've got a situation where a person has filed in the past claiming the rent
he receives from a tractor trailer he rents to a company, on Sch. E. I can't
find any support for this as everything seems to point that the rent
receipts should be reported on a Sch. C/C-EZ.

Which is the right method?
TIA
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