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Old 02-28-2009, 02:01 AM
Han
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Tom Russ <tar[at]isi.edu> wrote in
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> On Feb 27, 3:10*pm, Harlan Lunsford <luns...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > jsm wrote:
> > > While briefly living in New Zealand (NZ), we deposited $60,000
> > > (USD) in a NZ bank and converted it to NZ dollars. *Six months
> > > later, after returning to the US, we converted the NZ dollars to
> > > USD and transferred the monies back to a US bank. *We lost about
> > > $3,000 in the currency conversion.
> > > > Can we claim the loss on our taxes? *And if so, how?
> > > Since you didn't mention it had anything to do with business

> > transactions, sounds like a personal loss which is not deductible.

> Couldn't there be circumstances in which this would be considered an
> investment loss?
> If the money was moved to the NZ bank and held in an interest-bearing
> account for investment purposes, would that make it a short-term
> capital loss?
> Admittedly, the facts of the money transfer being coincident to moving
> there are not favorable.
> But what about a similar transaction but without actually moving to
> the other country.
> Say, one converted money into Euros, purchased bonds in the UK, and
> then sold the bonds and converted the money back into dollars. If
> there were a currency exchange loss, that would surely be deductible,
> right?

Just to make a nitpivcking point, the Ukkies still use pounds, not
euros, but substitute either a euro country or pounds, and I agree.

I inherited euros, and I faithfully reported realized gains whenever I
"cashed in" euros to dollars by subtracting the value in dollars of the
euros converted on my father's date of death from the value on the day
of euro to dollar conversion. I used the fees imposed as adjustments to
basis. So far Uncle Sam has always gained and still would for the few
remaining euros if sold now. I would really like to declare a loss if
the dollar to euro exchange rate got below the rate on dad's date of
death. Or have I committed felonies in handling things this way?

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Old 02-28-2009, 12:22 AM
Tom Russ
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On Feb 27, 3:10*pm, Harlan Lunsford <luns...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> jsm wrote:
> > While briefly living in New Zealand (NZ), we deposited $60,000 (USD)
> > in a NZ bank and converted it to NZ dollars. *Six months later, after
> > returning to the US, we converted the NZ dollars to USD and
> > transferred the monies back to a US bank. *We lost about $3,000 in the
> > currency conversion.
> > Can we claim the loss on our taxes? *And if so, how?

> Since you didn't mention it had anything to do with business
> transactions, sounds like a personal loss which is not deductible.



Couldn't there be circumstances in which this would be considered an
investment loss?

If the money was moved to the NZ bank and held in an interest-bearing
account for investment purposes, would that make it a short-term
capital loss?

Admittedly, the facts of the money transfer being coincident to moving
there are not favorable.

But what about a similar transaction but without actually moving to
the other country.
Say, one converted money into Euros, purchased bonds in the UK, and
then sold the bonds and converted the money back into dollars. If
there were a currency exchange loss, that would surely be deductible,
right?

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Old 02-27-2009, 10:42 PM
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"removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I wonder if the 3k could be a casualty loss -- deductible on
> Schedule A, but only the loss over 10% plus $100 (or is it now
> $500) is deductible, the deduction is allowed under AMT.


It's not going to be a casualty loss uness there is some casualty, like
the value of the NZ dollar lost value all at once due to an armed
insurrection.

Stu

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Old 02-27-2009, 10:21 PM
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On Feb 26, 1:15 pm, jsm <jsmorti...[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> While briefly living in New Zealand (NZ), we deposited $60,000 (USD)
> in a NZ bank and converted it to NZ dollars. Six months later, after
> returning to the US, we converted the NZ dollars to USD and
> transferred the monies back to a US bank. We lost about $3,000 in the
> currency conversion.
> Can we claim the loss on our taxes? And if so, how?


My reading of section 988 (is this even the right section?)

http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/...y_transactions

indicates that if this is a personal transaction (scroll towards the
end of the page), then the loss is not deductible, and gain in excess
of $200 is taxable.

However, if you were speculating on the USD, then I think your 60k is
a capital asset (just like purchasing shares of UDN). In that case,
your loss should be deductible as a capital loss. However, you must
have identified the 60k as an investment on the day you transferred
that money to New Zealand.

I wonder if the 3k could be a casualty loss -- deductible on Schedule
A, but only the loss over 10% plus $100 (or is it now $500) is
deductible, the deduction is allowed under AMT.

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Old 02-27-2009, 10:10 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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jsm wrote:
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> While briefly living in New Zealand (NZ), we deposited $60,000 (USD)
> in a NZ bank and converted it to NZ dollars. Six months later, after
> returning to the US, we converted the NZ dollars to USD and
> transferred the monies back to a US bank. We lost about $3,000 in the
> currency conversion.
> Can we claim the loss on our taxes? And if so, how?
> Thanks in advance.

Since you didn't mention it had anything to do with business
transactions, sounds like a personal loss which is not deductible.

I've lost, too, in converting back to dollars, but thankfully never as
much as 3,000.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 02-26-2009, 08:15 PM
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Default Currency Conversion

While briefly living in New Zealand (NZ), we deposited $60,000 (USD)
in a NZ bank and converted it to NZ dollars. Six months later, after
returning to the US, we converted the NZ dollars to USD and
transferred the monies back to a US bank. We lost about $3,000 in the
currency conversion.

Can we claim the loss on our taxes? And if so, how?

Thanks in advance.

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