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| On Feb 17, 7:59 pm, "D. Stussy" <s...[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: - quote - > > It's not required to take a deduction. There's a possibility, very
You're probably right, but the IRS is not going to challenge you if> > remote in my opinion, that the IRS will come to learn that you had > > $1,100 in receipts. They make send you a CP-2000 asking for regular > > tax and self-employment tax on this $1,100, so then you would just > > write back and tell them that your expenses were more than your > > receipts -- which is kind of the Schedule C. > I disagree. In this case, "failing to take the deduction?" would be a > failing to report the activity - and that's a strong indication of tax > fraud. Furthermore, it is NOT optional to report self-employed business > expenses. I believe you're confusing the ELECTION permitted to itemize vs. > claiming the standard deduction as extendible to this situation - it is > NOT. you pay more tax. Now if you failed to take deductions and those deductions resulted you in paying less tax or getting more back, like when a higher income gives you a higher EIC, then that's a problem. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c6968b92-6e03-486e-9e1a-7252ab86e873[at]m29g2000prd.googlegroups.com... - quote - > On Feb 17, 6:14 am, kupc...[at]hotmail.com wrote:
I disagree. In this case, "failing to take the deduction?" would be a> > The question is "since profit is less than $400, is the taxpayer > > REQUIRED to file any of the schedule information for the business". I > > reconize that the loss will reduce AGI, but with such a small loss, > > the effort may not be worth, it if not required. > It's not required to take a deduction. There's a possibility, very > remote in my opinion, that the IRS will come to learn that you had > $1,100 in receipts. They make send you a CP-2000 asking for regular > tax and self-employment tax on this $1,100, so then you would just > write back and tell them that your expenses were more than your > receipts -- which is kind of the Schedule C. failing to report the activity - and that's a strong indication of tax fraud. Furthermore, it is NOT optional to report self-employed business expenses. I believe you're confusing the ELECTION permitted to itemize vs. claiming the standard deduction as extendible to this situation - it is NOT. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 17, 6:14 am, kupc...[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > The question is "since profit is less than $400, is the taxpayer
It's not required to take a deduction. There's a possibility, very> REQUIRED to file any of the schedule information for the business". I > reconize that the loss will reduce AGI, but with such a small loss, > the effort may not be worth, it if not required. remote in my opinion, that the IRS will come to learn that you had $1,100 in receipts. They make send you a CP-2000 asking for regular tax and self-employment tax on this $1,100, so then you would just write back and tell them that your expenses were more than your receipts -- which is kind of the Schedule C. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 16, 5:52*pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.netwrote: - quote - > <kupc...[at]hotmail.com> wrote
It seems that I did not describe the issue accurately enough.> > Do you have to file a schedule C > > if you have gross receipts of over $1,000, > Yes. > > but your net earning for this activity are a loss? > Filing the return is how they know that you lost money. > Besides, it starts the clock ticking. > -- > Paul Thomas, CPA > Watkinsville, Georgia The situation that I have is with over $100,000 in AGI and a scheule C with gross reciepts of $1,100. Net profits show a loss of $50. The question is "since profit is less than $400, is the taxpayer REQUIRED to file any of the schedule information for the business". I reconize that the loss will reduce AGI, but with such a small loss, the effort may not be worth, it if not required. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <kupchik[at]hotmail.com> wrote - quote - > Do you have to file a schedule C > if you have gross receipts of over $1,000, Yes. - quote - > but your net earning for this activity are a loss? Filing the return is how they know that you lost money. Besides, it starts the clock ticking. -- Paul Thomas, CPA Watkinsville, Georgia -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 16, 2:23 pm, kupc...[at]hotmail.com wrote: - quote - > Do you have to file a schedule C if you have gross receipts of over
Is Schedule C your only source of income. If so, you only have to> $1,000, but your net earning for this activity are a loss? file if your net earnings are $400 or more. See chart C of the 1040 instructions on page 9. But you might want to file in order to generate an NOL (net operating loss), which you can carryback to 2 or so previous years, and/or carryforward to the next 20 or so years. If you have a Schedule C and also a W2, then you should file the Schedule C as it will reduce your AGI from the W2. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Do you have to file a schedule C if you have gross receipts of over $1,000, but your net earning for this activity are a loss? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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