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| <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c64673b0-60ea-4b38-a938-05baae2949b1[at]o6g2000pre.googlegroups.com... - quote - > ...
As the house is being sold at a net gain in excess of the exclusion, I> That depends on the IRS. They require receipts, but may accept > substitutes such as canceled checks, especially if it sounds > reasonable. If I were an IRS auditor, I would accept it .wouldn't worry about this (as far as the "audit lottery" is concerned). As long as you have a reasonable basis for taking the position you plan on, no problem. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| HW "Skip" Weldon wrote: .... - quote - > Am I the only one that thinks most of the listed items are
Not the only one, no...other than the two remodels (and outside> repairs/replacements/upkeep rather than improvements? .... possibility some of the windows, maybe, if they were a real upgrade of original single-pane to energy-efficient, for example) would seem to be simply routine maintenance/repair. Guess one can always use and see if get audited or not...I'm sure many have folded in much even less likely to be actual capital improvements in the past (not that that really justifies anything, just a comment/observation). -- -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:52:04 EST, AlPastor <pjtallman[at]sbcglobal.netwrote: - quote - > Hi All,
Am I the only one that thinks most of the listed items are> You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd > describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I > sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. repairs/replacements/upkeep rather than improvements? -HW "Skip" Weldon Columbia, SC -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 9:24 pm, AlPastor <pjtall...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > On Feb 11, 3:26 pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-
Then it's probably repair, so it does not add to cost basis. All the> > Is painting repair or improvement? > I am not sure what the difference is wrt the painting (i.e. repair or > improvement). The old paint was pealing off so she had the entire > house repainted. Is that what you mean? other items you mentioned do strike me as improvements. - quote - > Unfortunately, I don't know the company name for the pool remodel. So
That depends on the IRS. They require receipts, but may accept> no way to get receipt. I know the company name for the new windows, I > haven't tried to contact them, are you suggesting that the cancelled > checks won't be proof enough? substitutes such as canceled checks, especially if it sounds reasonable. If I were an IRS auditor, I would accept it .You wrote - quote - > > > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note .
Does the withdrawal slip have the company's name on it? You shouldmake your best effort to contact the companies (maybe they're out of business now, so you won't succeed), but document your efforts and lack of response, if any, in the event of an IRS audit. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 12, 5:05*am, JoeTaxpayer <JoeTaxpa...[at]comcast.net> wrote: - quote - > AlPastor wrote:
Joe,> > > > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 *-- Comment: I have the > > > > original sale closing documents > > This is in California. Home sold for $555,000, she lived in it for 30 > > years continuously, selling expenses paid by her were $43,764. > > --Pat > When was your dad alive? Did he own it with your mom? > Depending on the state, she gets a stepped up basis for either half or > the entire house based on the value at his passing. This can make all > the difference to you. > Joewww.blog.joetaxpayer.com My mom and dad divorced in 1980 (two years after purchasing the home). My mom received the house in the divorce. --Pat -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| AlPastor wrote: - quote - > > > > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 -- Comment: I have the
When was your dad alive? Did he own it with your mom?> > > original sale closing documents > This is in California. Home sold for $555,000, she lived in it for 30 > years continuously, selling expenses paid by her were $43,764. > --Pat Depending on the state, she gets a stepped up basis for either half or the entire house based on the value at his passing. This can make all the difference to you. Joe www.blog.joetaxpayer.com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 3:26*pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps- gro...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > On Feb 11, 12:52 pm, AlPastor <pjtall...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Sorry to hear about your mom like this. > > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate > > and Receipt for payment > Is painting repair or improvement? > > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > > problems with the other items. > These are big amounts. *Can't you get the receipt from the company? Thank you for your reply:-) I am not sure what the difference is wrt the painting (i.e. repair or improvement). The old paint was pealing off so she had the entire house repainted. Is that what you mean? Unfortunately, I don't know the company name for the pool remodel. So no way to get receipt. I know the company name for the new windows, I haven't tried to contact them, are you suggesting that the cancelled checks won't be proof enough? --Pat -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 2:23*pm, Harlan Lunsford <luns...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > AlPastor wrote:
This is in California. Home sold for $555,000, she lived in it for 30> > Hi All, > > You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd > > describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I > > sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. I want to be very > > conservative so if any item is even slightly questionable I don't want > > to use it. At the same time, my mom is not wealthy and needs every > > penny. Thanks in advance to all who offer advice. > > My mom has dementia and I am her power of attorney. She had to be > > placed in a home in Fall 2007. I finally sold her home in the Summer > > of 2008. Here are the details as for how I am calculating the cost > > basis of the home. Note that my mom can't help me and I have had to > > scour her file cabinet and basically review every checking account > > statement going back as far as the bank had to come up with this list. > > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 *-- Comment: I have the > > original sale closing documents > > Buyer Paid Settlement Charges 10/18/1978 * *for $1,240.65 -- Comment: I > > have the original sale closing documents > > New Garage Door 7/18/1990 $729.00 -- Comment: I have original Invoice > > Guest Bathroom Remodel 3/23/1993 $1,885.49 -- Comment: I have original > > Invoices > > New Central Heating System 12/29/1995 $1,400.00 -- Comment: I have the > > original Invoice > > New Roof 8/15/1996 $6,090.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice and > > documents > > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate > > and Receipt for payment > > Kitchen Remodel 8/25/2001 $21,250.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice > > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > > This results in the cost basis = $168,940.64 with all of the above > > calculated in. > > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > > problems with the other items. > > Cheers, > > Pat > *From another point of view, was this her personal residence in which > she lived for at least 2 of the past 5 years? > If so, AND gain is less than 250,000$, *no gain; not even reportable. > I'm even trying to figure this one out for a client way up in UA; that's > * Upper Alabama. > ChEAr$, > Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - years continuously, selling expenses paid by her were $43,764. --Pat -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 1:43*pm, PeterL <po.n...[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Feb 11, 12:52*pm, AlPastor <pjtall...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
$555,000 Sales Price> > Hi All, > > You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd > > describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I > > sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. I want to be very > > conservative so if any item is even slightly questionable I don't want > > to use it. At the same time, my mom is not wealthy and needs every > > penny. Thanks in advance to all who offer advice. > > My mom has dementia and I am her power of attorney. She had to be > > placed in a home in Fall 2007. I finally sold her home in the Summer > > of 2008. Here are the details as for how I am calculating the cost > > basis of the home. Note that my mom can't help me and I have had to > > scour her file cabinet and basically review every checking account > > statement going back as far as the bank had to come up with this list. > > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 *-- Comment: I have the > > original sale closing documents > > Buyer Paid Settlement Charges 10/18/1978 * * * * for $1,240.65 -- Comment: I > > have the original sale closing documents > > New Garage Door 7/18/1990 $729.00 -- Comment: I have original Invoice > > Guest Bathroom Remodel 3/23/1993 $1,885.49 -- Comment: I have original > > Invoices > > New Central Heating System 12/29/1995 $1,400.00 -- Comment: I have the > > original Invoice > > New Roof 8/15/1996 $6,090.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice and > > documents > > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate > > and Receipt for payment > > Kitchen Remodel 8/25/2001 $21,250.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice > > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > > This results in the cost basis = $168,940.64 with all of the above > > calculated in. > > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > > problems with the other items. > > Cheers, > > Pat > What's the sale price? > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - In case these are your next questions:-) She lived in the house continuously for 30 years. Selling expenses paid by her $43,764 --Pat -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate
In IRS Pub. 523 painting inside or outside is specifically> > and Receipt for payment > Is painting repair or improvement? listed as an example of a repair that does not add to basis. Bob Sandler -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 12:52 pm, AlPastor <pjtall...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: Sorry to hear about your mom like this. - quote - > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate
Is painting repair or improvement?> and Receipt for payment - quote - > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings
These are big amounts. Can't you get the receipt from the company?> Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > problems with the other items. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| AlPastor wrote: - quote - > Hi All,
she lived for at least 2 of the past 5 years?> You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd > describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I > sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. I want to be very > conservative so if any item is even slightly questionable I don't want > to use it. At the same time, my mom is not wealthy and needs every > penny. Thanks in advance to all who offer advice. > My mom has dementia and I am her power of attorney. She had to be > placed in a home in Fall 2007. I finally sold her home in the Summer > of 2008. Here are the details as for how I am calculating the cost > basis of the home. Note that my mom can't help me and I have had to > scour her file cabinet and basically review every checking account > statement going back as far as the bank had to come up with this list. > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 -- Comment: I have the > original sale closing documents > Buyer Paid Settlement Charges 10/18/1978 for $1,240.65 -- Comment: I > have the original sale closing documents > New Garage Door 7/18/1990 $729.00 -- Comment: I have original Invoice > Guest Bathroom Remodel 3/23/1993 $1,885.49 -- Comment: I have original > Invoices > New Central Heating System 12/29/1995 $1,400.00 -- Comment: I have the > original Invoice > New Roof 8/15/1996 $6,090.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice and > documents > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate > and Receipt for payment > Kitchen Remodel 8/25/2001 $21,250.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > This results in the cost basis = $168,940.64 with all of the above > calculated in. > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > problems with the other items. > Cheers, > Pat From another point of view, was this her personal residence in which If so, AND gain is less than 250,000$, no gain; not even reportable. I'm even trying to figure this one out for a client way up in UA; that's Upper Alabama. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 11, 12:52*pm, AlPastor <pjtall...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > Hi All, > You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd > describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I > sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. I want to be very > conservative so if any item is even slightly questionable I don't want > to use it. At the same time, my mom is not wealthy and needs every > penny. Thanks in advance to all who offer advice. > My mom has dementia and I am her power of attorney. She had to be > placed in a home in Fall 2007. I finally sold her home in the Summer > of 2008. Here are the details as for how I am calculating the cost > basis of the home. Note that my mom can't help me and I have had to > scour her file cabinet and basically review every checking account > statement going back as far as the bank had to come up with this list. > Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 *-- Comment: I have the > original sale closing documents > Buyer Paid Settlement Charges 10/18/1978 * * * * for $1,240.65 -- Comment: I > have the original sale closing documents > New Garage Door 7/18/1990 $729.00 -- Comment: I have original Invoice > Guest Bathroom Remodel 3/23/1993 $1,885.49 -- Comment: I have original > Invoices > New Central Heating System 12/29/1995 $1,400.00 -- Comment: I have the > original Invoice > New Roof 8/15/1996 $6,090.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice and > documents > Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate > and Receipt for payment > Kitchen Remodel 8/25/2001 $21,250.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice > Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note > New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings > Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers > they were paid with (she paid in installments) > This results in the cost basis = $168,940.64 with all of the above > calculated in. > These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to > satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not > enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot > problems with the other items. > Cheers, > Pat What's the sale price? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Hi All, You've all been so great in the past (huge THANKS!) I thought I'd describe how I am figuring the cost basis for my mothers home, which I sold in summer 2008, and get your comments. I want to be very conservative so if any item is even slightly questionable I don't want to use it. At the same time, my mom is not wealthy and needs every penny. Thanks in advance to all who offer advice. My mom has dementia and I am her power of attorney. She had to be placed in a home in Fall 2007. I finally sold her home in the Summer of 2008. Here are the details as for how I am calculating the cost basis of the home. Note that my mom can't help me and I have had to scour her file cabinet and basically review every checking account statement going back as far as the bank had to come up with this list. Home purchased 10/18/1978 for $123,000.00 -- Comment: I have the original sale closing documents Buyer Paid Settlement Charges 10/18/1978 for $1,240.65 -- Comment: I have the original sale closing documents New Garage Door 7/18/1990 $729.00 -- Comment: I have original Invoice Guest Bathroom Remodel 3/23/1993 $1,885.49 -- Comment: I have original Invoices New Central Heating System 12/29/1995 $1,400.00 -- Comment: I have the original Invoice New Roof 8/15/1996 $6,090.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice and documents Exterior Painting 8/23/1996 $2,150.50 -- Comment: Original Estimate and Receipt for payment Kitchen Remodel 8/25/2001 $21,250.00 -- Comment: Original Invoice Pool Remodel 8/13/2003 $4,445.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note New Windows 1/28/2005 $6,750.00 -- Comment: Have World Savings Withdrawl Slip with Mom's handwritten note and the three check numbers they were paid with (she paid in installments) This results in the cost basis = $168,940.64 with all of the above calculated in. These last two have me concerned as to whether this is enough to satisfy the IRS. I know this work was done but I know that is not enough. Anyone have any comments on these last two or if you spot problems with the other items. Cheers, Pat -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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