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| Bill Brown <brownwp[at]longwood.edu> wrote: - quote - > John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
They should have rented it to her/him at FMV.> > Mother passed away in Nov. 2006 * Her house was left to three > > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > > sold in 2008 for $200,000. *No appraisal done at death but in June, > > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. * Can the > > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted as a > > capital loss ? > Personal use includes allowing a related party to use the property > at below-market rent. All the sibs, therefore, made personal use of > the home. None of the sibs can deduct a loss. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Dick Adams" <rdadams[at]panix.com> wrote in message news:gmidbf$kdd$1[at]reader1.panix.com... - quote - > ed <edcosoft[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Technically true, but as it's 7 months after death, a 1 month difference, I> > John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Mother passed away in Nov. 2006. Her house was left to three > > > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > > > sold in 2008 for $200,000. No appraisal done at death but in June, > > > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. Can the > > > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted > > > as a capital loss? > > > > > One answer from a tax professional was yes, it is deductible on Sch. D > > > for the two surviving children that did not live in the house (limit > > > $3000 yr) > > > > > this question was on another tax forum and it's not my exact personal > > > situation but I am interested in other opinions if this is a > > > deductible "loss" > If, by "another tax forum", you are referring to the "funny farm", > we all know its value. > > I'm not a tax professor, but I think a 1/3 interest in a personal > > residence cannot produce a tax deductible loss. I would also be > > suspect of a Jly 2007 apreisal > The loss on a personal residence is obviously not deductible. > But this was an inheritance and it is similar to the loss on > securities. > The 2007 appraisal was not within six months of death. Thus, it > would not be unreasonable for it to be tossed out upon audit. think the IRS would be hard pressed to find a reason to ignore it completely should the matter go to the Tax Court. It's more likely that they would find the ENTIRE loss as personal and disallow it from all three beneficiaries. Remember that personal use by a family member can be considered personal use by one's self. They are related people per IRC 267(c)(4) (definition of "family" which applies also to IRC 262). - quote - > OTOH home values have decreased sharply over the last two years.
It can be expensive before the fact too. ;-)> It should not be difficult to get written opinions of other > appraisers as to the Nov. 2007 value. > Once again we have an example of how expensive tax planning > after-the-fact can be. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 6, 3:40*pm, John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > these circumstances -
Personal use includes allowing a related party to use the property at> Mother passed away in Nov. 2006 * Her house was left to three > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > sold in 2008 for $200,000. *No appraisal done at death but in June, > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. * Can the > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted as a > capital loss ? below-market rent. All the sibs, therefore, made personal use of the home. None of the sibs can deduct a loss. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| ed <edcos...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
The other two have a loss if they can produce evidence that> > ed <edcos...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > I'm not a tax professor, but I think a 1/3 interest in a personal > > > residence cannot produce a tax deductible loss. *I would also be > > > suspect of a Jly 2007 apreisal > > The loss on a personal residence is obviously not deductible. > > But this was an inheritance and it is similar to the loss on > > securities. > > > The 2007 appraisal was not within six months of death. Thus, it > > would not be unreasonable for it to be tossed out upon audit. > > OTOH home values have decreased sharply over the last two years. > > It should not be difficult to get written opinions of other > > appraisers as to the Nov. 2007 value. > > > Once again we have an example of how expensive tax planning > > after-the-fact can be. > I should think almost 2 years with a relative living in it > free should pretty well establish it as a personal residence > rather than rental or investment. the FMV at the time of death was more than the sale price. A smidgen of tax planning could have made a difference for all involved. But my question is "How long does someone living in a property have to move out before they lose the deduction for loss on sale?" Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 6, 4:24*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: - quote - > ed *<edcos...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I should think almost 2 years with a relative living in it free> > John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Mother passed away in Nov. 2006. Her house was left to three > > > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > > > sold in 2008 for $200,000. No appraisal done at death but in June, > > > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. *Can the > > > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted > > > as a capital loss? > > > One answer from a tax professional was yes, it is deductible on Sch. D > > > for the two surviving children that did not live in the house (limit > > > $3000 yr) > > > this question was on another tax forum and it's not my exact personal > > > situation but I am interested in other opinions if this is a > > > deductible "loss" > If, by "another tax forum", you are referring to the "funny farm", > we all know its value. > > I'm not a tax professor, but I think a 1/3 interest in a personal > > residence cannot produce a tax deductible loss. *I would also be > > suspect of a Jly 2007 apreisal > The loss on a personal residence is obviously not deductible. > But this was an inheritance and it is similar to the loss on > securities. > The 2007 appraisal was not within six months of death. Thus, it > would not be unreasonable for it to be tossed out upon audit. > OTOH home values have decreased sharply over the last two years. > It should not be difficult to get written opinions of other > appraisers as to the Nov. 2007 value. > Once again we have an example of how expensive tax planning > after-the-fact can be. > Dick > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - should pretty well establish it as a personal residence rather than rental or investment. ed -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| ed <edcosoft[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote: - quote - > John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
If, by "another tax forum", you are referring to the "funny farm",> > Mother passed away in Nov. 2006. Her house was left to three > > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > > sold in 2008 for $200,000. No appraisal done at death but in June, > > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. Can the > > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted > > as a capital loss? > > > One answer from a tax professional was yes, it is deductible on Sch. D > > for the two surviving children that did not live in the house (limit > > $3000 yr) > > > this question was on another tax forum and it's not my exact personal > > situation but I am interested in other opinions if this is a > > deductible "loss" we all know its value. - quote - > I'm not a tax professor, but I think a 1/3 interest in a personal
The loss on a personal residence is obviously not deductible.> residence cannot produce a tax deductible loss. I would also be > suspect of a Jly 2007 apreisal But this was an inheritance and it is similar to the loss on securities. The 2007 appraisal was not within six months of death. Thus, it would not be unreasonable for it to be tossed out upon audit. OTOH home values have decreased sharply over the last two years. It should not be difficult to get written opinions of other appraisers as to the Nov. 2007 value. Once again we have an example of how expensive tax planning after-the-fact can be. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 6, 2:40*pm, John <tx3...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > these circumstances -
residence cannot produce a tax deductible loss. I would also be> Mother passed away in Nov. 2006 * Her house was left to three > surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was > sold in 2008 for $200,000. *No appraisal done at death but in June, > 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. * Can the > $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted as a > capital loss ? > One answer from a tax professional was yes, it is deductible on Sch. D > for the two surviving children that did not live in the house (limit > $3000 yr) > this question was on another tax forum and it's not my exact personal > situation but I am interested in other opinions if this is a > deductible "loss" I'm not a tax professor, but I think a 1/3 interest in a personl suspect of a Jly 2007 apreisal -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| these circumstances - Mother passed away in Nov. 2006 Her house was left to three surviving adult children. One child lived in the house until it was sold in 2008 for $200,000. No appraisal done at death but in June, 2007 an appraisal was done and the value was $300,000. Can the $100,000 difference between sale amount and appraisal be deducted as a capital loss ? One answer from a tax professional was yes, it is deductible on Sch. D for the two surviving children that did not live in the house (limit $3000 yr) this question was on another tax forum and it's not my exact personal situation but I am interested in other opinions if this is a deductible "loss" -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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