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| Mark Bole wrote: - quote - > > Use form 8606 to report conversions, recharacterizations, and non-
Sorry, upon re-reading I see your statement above is accurate, but I> > deductible contributions. Do you do it yourself using a computer > > program or write into the forms directly? The loss is deductible only > > if close out all of your traditional IRAs, and the loss is only > > allowed on your non-deductible contributions, and the loss is subject > > to the 2% of AGI rule (only the loss over 2% of your AGI is > > deductible), and the loss is not allowed under AMT (ie. so it may > > increase your AMT tax). See > > http://asktheexpert.blogs.money.cnn....ur-ira-losses/ > > > for an explanation. > > You should re-read the article you posted. It's not common to have a > basis in a Trad. IRA, so what loss are you talking about? don't think it applies at all to the OP's situation. He apparently doesn't have, and isn't concerned about, a deductible loss. What he is trying to accomplish with the recharacterization, is to not pay tax in the first place on conversion income that has since evaporated. -Mark Bole -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > On Feb 4, 10:57 am, Gary <gary...[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
But the conversion amount recharacterized should still be $100K under> > In 2008, I had the following transactions (all with Fidelity): > > > Convert IRA to Roth...........................100,000 > > Return of excess contributions...............5,000 > > Recharacterized Roth back to IRA.......50,000 > > Because of losses, the amount they actually transferred back into my > > IRA for the recharacterization was $45,000. most circumstances (did you have other contributions or distributions during the calculation period from conversion date to recharacterization date?) - quote - > > I usually do my own income taxes, but I'm very confused about what to
You could do more research, or hire a professional. It's not likely> > report how and where in filling out my income tax. Can someone out > > there give me a clue? Are there any tax consequences to the losses? that your 1099-R forms alone will resolve everything, a statement to the IRS with your return will most likely be required. - quote - > Use form 8606 to report conversions, recharacterizations, and non-
You should re-read the article you posted. It's not common to have a> deductible contributions. Do you do it yourself using a computer > program or write into the forms directly? The loss is deductible only > if close out all of your traditional IRAs, and the loss is only > allowed on your non-deductible contributions, and the loss is subject > to the 2% of AGI rule (only the loss over 2% of your AGI is > deductible), and the loss is not allowed under AMT (ie. so it may > increase your AMT tax). See http://asktheexpert.blogs.money.cnn....ur-ira-losses/ > for an explanation. basis in a Trad. IRA, so what loss are you talking about? -Mark Bole -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 4, 10:57 am, Gary <gary...[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > In 2008, I had the following transactions (all with Fidelity):
Use form 8606 to report conversions, recharacterizations, and non-> Convert IRA to Roth...........................100,000 > Return of excess contributions...............5,000 > Recharacterized Roth back to IRA.......50,000 > Because of losses, the amount they actually transferred back into my > IRA for the recharacterization was $45,000. > I usually do my own income taxes, but I'm very confused about what to > report how and where in filling out my income tax. Can someone out > there give me a clue? Are there any tax consequences to the losses? deductible contributions. Do you do it yourself using a computer program or write into the forms directly? The loss is deductible only if close out all of your traditional IRAs, and the loss is only allowed on your non-deductible contributions, and the loss is subject to the 2% of AGI rule (only the loss over 2% of your AGI is deductible), and the loss is not allowed under AMT (ie. so it may increase your AMT tax). See http://asktheexpert.blogs.money.cnn....ur-ira-losses/ for an explanation. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In 2008, I had the following transactions (all with Fidelity): Convert IRA to Roth...........................100,000 Return of excess contributions...............5,000 Recharacterized Roth back to IRA.......50,000 I did the return of excess because I realized that I had forgotten to take my minimum required distribution before converting. I did the partial recharacterization because I realized I wouldn't have enough cash to pay the resulting income taxes. Because of losses, the amount Fidelity actually withdrew and returned to me was $4,500. Because of losses, the amount they actually transferred back into my IRA for the recharacterization was $45,000. I usually do my own income taxes, but I'm very confused about what to report how and where in filling out my income tax. Can someone out there give me a clue? Are there any tax consequences to the losses? Thanks in advance. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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