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02-09-2009, 03:30 AM
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 Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. On Feb 4, 3:37*pm, Alan <sfcnm-...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > PeterL wrote:
China, no treaty.> > After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about > > working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. *My son works > > overseas for a foreign company. *He is a US citizen but lives full > > time outside the country. *He is paid in local currencies. *Does he > > have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? *Even if he does not have > > that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? > Generally, a US citizen who is working overseas for a foreign > employer as an employee and that employer is not a foreign > affiliate of a US company that has entered into a voluntary > agreement with the US, is not subject to US social security and > medicare taxes. The employee would be subject to that country's > equivalent system. > I used the word "generally" because the rules can be different if > he is working in a country that has a bi-lateral totalization > agreement (tax treaty) with the US that specifies something else. > Where is your son working? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-09-2009, 03:30 AM
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| Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. On Feb 4, 5:06*pm, dpb <n...[at]non.net> wrote: - quote - > Alan wrote:
He is an actual employee.> > PeterL wrote: > > > After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about > > > working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. *My son works > > > overseas for a foreign company. *He is a US citizen but lives full > > > time outside the country. *He is paid in local currencies. *Does he > > > have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? *Even if he does not have > > > that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? > > Generally, a US citizen who is working overseas for a foreign employer > > as an employee and that employer is not a foreign affiliate of a US > > company that has entered into a voluntary agreement with the US, is not > > subject to US social security and medicare taxes. The employee would be > > subject to that country's equivalent system. > > I used the word "generally" because the rules can be different if he is > > working in a country that has a bi-lateral totalization agreement (tax > > treaty) with the US that specifies something else. > > Where is your son working? > It would also depend on whether is an actual employee of the foreign > company or would/could be considered a contractor. *That's what got > Geitner in trouble in creating his liability for SE taxes. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-05-2009, 08:59 PM
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| Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. Alan wrote: .... - quote - > Isn't that what I said in my post? ".. working overseas for a foreign > employer as an employee.." > Self-employed taxpayers pay self-employment tax regardless of where they > perform their services. .... Yes, I was just trying to emphasize to the OP the second case as to ensuring the correct status, not saying you said anything wrong. Saying one is an employee isn't necessarily being one, just as some employers try to claim folks aren't when they may be. It was just a precaution intended to OP to be certain of actual status rather than assume/presume. -- -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-05-2009, 01:00 AM
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| Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. dpb wrote: - quote - > Alan wrote:
foreign employer as an employee.."> > PeterL wrote: > > > After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about > > > working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. My son works > > > overseas for a foreign company. He is a US citizen but lives full > > > time outside the country. He is paid in local currencies. Does he > > > have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? Even if he does not have > > > that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? > > > > Generally, a US citizen who is working overseas for a foreign employer > > as an employee and that employer is not a foreign affiliate of a US > > company that has entered into a voluntary agreement with the US, is > > not subject to US social security and medicare taxes. The employee > > would be subject to that country's equivalent system. > > > I used the word "generally" because the rules can be different if he > > is working in a country that has a bi-lateral totalization agreement > > (tax treaty) with the US that specifies something else. > > > Where is your son working? > It would also depend on whether is an actual employee of the foreign > company or would/could be considered a contractor. That's what got > Geitner in trouble in creating his liability for SE taxes. > -- Isn't that what I said in my post? ".. working overseas for a Self-employed taxpayers pay self-employment tax regardless of where they perform their services. Mr. Geithner was an employee of the IMF. The IMF is an exempt organization. I.e., they are exempt from collecting and remiting employment taxes. As such the US employees are responsible for both halves of the social security & medicare taxes. The son working overseas for a foreign employer is a different set of oranges. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-05-2009, 12:06 AM
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| Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. Alan wrote: - quote - > PeterL wrote:
It would also depend on whether is an actual employee of the foreign> > After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about > > working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. My son works > > overseas for a foreign company. He is a US citizen but lives full > > time outside the country. He is paid in local currencies. Does he > > have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? Even if he does not have > > that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? > > Generally, a US citizen who is working overseas for a foreign employer > as an employee and that employer is not a foreign affiliate of a US > company that has entered into a voluntary agreement with the US, is not > subject to US social security and medicare taxes. The employee would be > subject to that country's equivalent system. > I used the word "generally" because the rules can be different if he is > working in a country that has a bi-lateral totalization agreement (tax > treaty) with the US that specifies something else. > Where is your son working? company or would/could be considered a contractor. That's what got Geitner in trouble in creating his liability for SE taxes. -- -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-04-2009, 10:37 PM
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| Re: Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. PeterL wrote: - quote - > After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about
employer as an employee and that employer is not a foreign> working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. My son works > overseas for a foreign company. He is a US citizen but lives full > time outside the country. He is paid in local currencies. Does he > have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? Even if he does not have > that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? Generally, a US citizen who is working overseas for a foreign affiliate of a US company that has entered into a voluntary agreement with the US, is not subject to US social security and medicare taxes. The employee would be subject to that country's equivalent system. I used the word "generally" because the rules can be different if he is working in a country that has a bi-lateral totalization agreement (tax treaty) with the US that specifies something else. Where is your son working? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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02-04-2009, 06:01 PM
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| Working for foreign employer, SS tax issue. After reading about Geitner's tax troubles, I have a question about working for a foreign company that don't pay SS taxes. My son works overseas for a foreign company. He is a US citizen but lives full time outside the country. He is paid in local currencies. Does he have an obligation to pay his own SS tax? Even if he does not have that obligation, can he pay into SS tax on his own? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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