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Old 02-06-2009, 03:49 PM
Drew Edmundson
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Default Re: Profit Sharing Change on Partnership

On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:39:58 EST, Vijay Sharma
<vj445[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> Yes, this is a one year thing. Also, because one partner runs the
> operation while the other is employed elsewhere. So on this basis,
> can one partner take 100% profit for one year while keeping the
> Capital 50/50? This would help in their individual tax returns. But
> In the past, they have shared profit 50/50. Or will this be a red
> flag to IRS?


You need to hire a tax professional to help with this. For
practical purposes the capital can't be 50/50 if all the
profit is allocated to one partner. Lets look at a really
simple example. 1/1/08 the capital accounts and basis are
$100 for John and $100 for Janice. Income for the year is
$50. Nothing else happens. So as of 12/31/08 the capital
accounts are John $150 and Janice $100 for a total of $250.

Simple math tells us that John now has $150/$250 or 60% of
the capital while Janice has 40%.

The $50 of income can't be 100% taxable to John but split
$25 to John and $25 to Janice for capital account purposes.
The same rule has to be used for both purposes or IRS will
cause you to recast the transactions.

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Drew Edmundson, CPA
Cary, NC

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Old 02-06-2009, 04:39 AM
Vijay Sharma
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Default Re: Profit Sharing Change on Partnership

On Feb 4, 7:33*am, Drew Edmundson <drewsbeag...[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:11 EST, Vijay Sharma
> <vj...[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I have a situation where one of the partners in a two person
> > Partnership would like 100% of profit/loss sharing unlike previous
> > years when the sharing was 50/50. *Questions I have are –
> > 1. *Is it possible to have 10% profit/loss but 50% for Capital?

> Yes, but there are complex rules to follow. Briefly the
> allocation has to have economic effect.
> > 2. *Does this change to 100% need to be implemented in a Partnership
> > Agreement?

> Yes, but it may not be respected by IRS unless the economic
> reality follows the allocation.
> > 3. *Is it possible to have 100% sharing of profit/loss for tax purposes
> > but 50/50 for Accounting (Book) purposes?

> Effectively no. But you can keep three sets of books - tax,
> the 50/50 books, and books with the 100/0 allocation. But
> the 50/50 books aren't respected by IRS.
> > 4. *Is it still a Partnership if one partner shares 100% of profit/loss
> > and the other 0% (this question may sound a little silly)?

> Why is this going on? You have left out something. Is this a
> one year thing? Why will Mr. 0% stick around if he is never
> going to get anything?
> > 5. *Is there any special treatment on the Partnership tax return due to
> > the change to 100% from 50%?

> You really need to see a tax professional who can review the
> legal documents and all the facts before they provide
> advice. It also sounds like Mr. 0% needs to talk to his
> lawyer.
> --
> Drew Edmundson, CPA
> Cary, NC


Thanks for your response.

Yes, this is a one year thing. Also, because one partner runs the
operation while the other is employed elsewhere. So on this basis,
can one partner take 100% profit for one year while keeping the
Capital 50/50? This would help in their individual tax returns. But
In the past, they have shared profit 50/50. Or will this be a red
flag to IRS?

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Old 02-04-2009, 02:33 PM
Drew Edmundson
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Default Re: Profit Sharing Change on Partnership

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:11 EST, Vijay Sharma
<vj445[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I have a situation where one of the partners in a two person
> Partnership would like 100% of profit/loss sharing unlike previous
> years when the sharing was 50/50. Questions I have are –
> 1. Is it possible to have 10% profit/loss but 50% for Capital?


Yes, but there are complex rules to follow. Briefly the
allocation has to have economic effect.

- quote -

> 2. Does this change to 100% need to be implemented in a Partnership
> Agreement?


Yes, but it may not be respected by IRS unless the economic
reality follows the allocation.

- quote -

> 3. Is it possible to have 100% sharing of profit/loss for tax purposes
> but 50/50 for Accounting (Book) purposes?


Effectively no. But you can keep three sets of books - tax,
the 50/50 books, and books with the 100/0 allocation. But
the 50/50 books aren't respected by IRS.

- quote -

> 4. Is it still a Partnership if one partner shares 100% of profit/loss
> and the other 0% (this question may sound a little silly)?


Why is this going on? You have left out something. Is this a
one year thing? Why will Mr. 0% stick around if he is never
going to get anything?

- quote -

> 5. Is there any special treatment on the Partnership tax return due to
> the change to 100% from 50%?


You really need to see a tax professional who can review the
legal documents and all the facts before they provide
advice. It also sounds like Mr. 0% needs to talk to his
lawyer.

--
Drew Edmundson, CPA
Cary, NC

--
<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
 
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