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| On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:39:58 EST, Vijay Sharma <vj445[at]hotmail.com> wrote: snip - quote - > Yes, this is a one year thing. Also, because one partner runs the
You need to hire a tax professional to help with this. For> operation while the other is employed elsewhere. So on this basis, > can one partner take 100% profit for one year while keeping the > Capital 50/50? This would help in their individual tax returns. But > In the past, they have shared profit 50/50. Or will this be a red > flag to IRS? practical purposes the capital can't be 50/50 if all the profit is allocated to one partner. Lets look at a really simple example. 1/1/08 the capital accounts and basis are $100 for John and $100 for Janice. Income for the year is $50. Nothing else happens. So as of 12/31/08 the capital accounts are John $150 and Janice $100 for a total of $250. Simple math tells us that John now has $150/$250 or 60% of the capital while Janice has 40%. The $50 of income can't be 100% taxable to John but split $25 to John and $25 to Janice for capital account purposes. The same rule has to be used for both purposes or IRS will cause you to recast the transactions. -- Drew Edmundson, CPA Cary, NC -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 4, 7:33*am, Drew Edmundson <drewsbeag...[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:11 EST, Vijay Sharma
Thanks for your response.> <vj...[at]hotmail.com> wrote: > > I have a situation where one of the partners in a two person > > Partnership would like 100% of profit/loss sharing unlike previous > > years when the sharing was 50/50. *Questions I have are – > > 1. *Is it possible to have 10% profit/loss but 50% for Capital? > Yes, but there are complex rules to follow. Briefly the > allocation has to have economic effect. > > 2. *Does this change to 100% need to be implemented in a Partnership > > Agreement? > Yes, but it may not be respected by IRS unless the economic > reality follows the allocation. > > 3. *Is it possible to have 100% sharing of profit/loss for tax purposes > > but 50/50 for Accounting (Book) purposes? > Effectively no. But you can keep three sets of books - tax, > the 50/50 books, and books with the 100/0 allocation. But > the 50/50 books aren't respected by IRS. > > 4. *Is it still a Partnership if one partner shares 100% of profit/loss > > and the other 0% (this question may sound a little silly)? > Why is this going on? You have left out something. Is this a > one year thing? Why will Mr. 0% stick around if he is never > going to get anything? > > 5. *Is there any special treatment on the Partnership tax return due to > > the change to 100% from 50%? > You really need to see a tax professional who can review the > legal documents and all the facts before they provide > advice. It also sounds like Mr. 0% needs to talk to his > lawyer. > -- > Drew Edmundson, CPA > Cary, NC Yes, this is a one year thing. Also, because one partner runs the operation while the other is employed elsewhere. So on this basis, can one partner take 100% profit for one year while keeping the Capital 50/50? This would help in their individual tax returns. But In the past, they have shared profit 50/50. Or will this be a red flag to IRS? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:20:11 EST, Vijay Sharma <vj445[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a situation where one of the partners in a two person
Yes, but there are complex rules to follow. Briefly the> Partnership would like 100% of profit/loss sharing unlike previous > years when the sharing was 50/50. Questions I have are – > 1. Is it possible to have 10% profit/loss but 50% for Capital? allocation has to have economic effect. - quote - > 2. Does this change to 100% need to be implemented in a Partnership
Yes, but it may not be respected by IRS unless the economic> Agreement? reality follows the allocation. - quote - > 3. Is it possible to have 100% sharing of profit/loss for tax purposes
Effectively no. But you can keep three sets of books - tax,> but 50/50 for Accounting (Book) purposes? the 50/50 books, and books with the 100/0 allocation. But the 50/50 books aren't respected by IRS. - quote - > 4. Is it still a Partnership if one partner shares 100% of profit/loss
Why is this going on? You have left out something. Is this a> and the other 0% (this question may sound a little silly)? one year thing? Why will Mr. 0% stick around if he is never going to get anything? - quote - > 5. Is there any special treatment on the Partnership tax return due to
You really need to see a tax professional who can review the> the change to 100% from 50%? legal documents and all the facts before they provide advice. It also sounds like Mr. 0% needs to talk to his lawyer. -- Drew Edmundson, CPA Cary, NC -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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