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Old 02-05-2009, 07:48 PM
Bonnie Forman
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In article <6Mril.16881$c45.2816[at]nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com> ,
Mark Bole <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote:

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> Phil Marti wrote:
> > Don't try to do this through the interview. Use Forms mode to directly
> > enter the stock sale to a 1099-B input screen.

> If you have bought the premium version or higher of this software, I
> believe the interview will handle it just fine. Probably true of other
> DIY software as well -- to some extent, you get what you pay for.
> -Mark Bole


If I had more investments or stock transactions than this one, I might
have. Having just this one, the Deluxe version of Turbotax is just fine
for my needs, thanks to the help from the kind folks here.

With their helpful information, I was able to use the Schedule D form
directly to enter the information. Turbo tax actually did make it easy
to the use form, because once you enter the type of Stock transaction,
it highlights the fields in which you need to enter information.

Bonnie

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Old 02-05-2009, 01:01 AM
Mark Bole
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Phil Marti wrote:

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> Don't try to do this through the interview. Use Forms mode to directly
> enter the stock sale to a 1099-B input screen.


If you have bought the premium version or higher of this software, I
believe the interview will handle it just fine. Probably true of other
DIY software as well -- to some extent, you get what you pay for.

-Mark Bole

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Old 02-04-2009, 04:47 AM
Steve Pope
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joeu2004 <joeu2004[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> On Feb 3, 7:15*pm, spop...[at]speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:

> > Phil Marti <prm20...[at]verizon.net> wrote:


> > > On Schedule D you'll wind up with a short-term loss equal
> > > to the fees.


> > Actually it will be a different, small amount. *This is because
> > the W2 figure is based on the closing stock price on the day
> > of the transaction, whereas the sales price on the 1099 is
> > based on whatever price the trade was actually made at,
> > intraday.


> For exercise-and-sell transactions that occur on the same
> day, companies are permitted to use the sales price as the
> FMV (basis). That might be a "recent" change (i.e., some
> time in the last decade!). I remember that it used to be as
> you describe.


Thanks. It could easily have changed in the last few
years, without me noticing.

Steve

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Old 02-04-2009, 04:18 AM
joeu2004
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On Feb 3, 7:15*pm, spop...[at]speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
- quote -

> Phil Marti <prm20...[at]verizon.net> wrote:
> > *The amount deemed to be wages (the box 12 "V"
> > amount) adds to your basis. *On Schedule D you'll
> > wind up with a short-term loss equal to the fees.

> Actually it will be a different, small amount. *This is because
> the W2 figure is based on the closing stock price on the day
> of the transaction, whereas the sales price on the 1099 is
> based on whatever price the trade was actually made at,
> intraday.


For exercise-and-sell transactions that occur on the same
day, companies are permitted to use the sales price as the
FMV (basis). That might be a "recent" change (i.e., some
time in the last decade!). I remember that it used to be as
you describe.

(But in the past, the W2 figure was the FMV as determined
by the company. That is not always the closing price.
Some companies use the daily average. There might be
other accepted practices.)

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Old 02-04-2009, 02:15 AM
Steve Pope
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Phil Marti <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote:

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> "Bonnie Forman" wrote:

> > In 2008 I exercised some of my company stock options I was given in
> > 2002. It was a Cashless transaction. My companies stock options are
> > handled through Merril Lynch. [snip]


> Yes you do, and no, it won't. The amount deemed to be wages (the box 12 "V"
> amount) adds to your basis. On Schedule D you'll wind up with a short-term
> loss equal to the fees.


Actually it will be a different, small amount. This is because
the W2 figure is based on the closing stock price on the day
of the transaction, whereas the sales price on the 1099 is
based on whatever price the trade was actually made at, intraday.

Steve

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:53 AM
Steve Pope
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Bonnie Forman <bons77[at]pacbell.net> wrote:

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> In 2008 I exercised some of my company stock options I was given in
> 2002. It was a Cashless transaction. My companies stock options are
> handled through Merril Lynch.


> Shortly after the transaction I received some paperwork showing the
> details of the transaction, including taxes and fees that were withheld.
> This income and tax withholding is included on the W2 form I received
> from my company. (There is a V in box 12c, and I've done the math to
> confirm it was included.)


> I am using Turbotax to do my taxes.


> Since the income was already added and taxes were withheld, do I still
> have to enter it in Turbotax (which I believe will include a Schedule
> D)? Won't it then add it to my income again?


No, it won't be counted twice.

- quote -

> Also, can I deduct the Merrill Lynch fees and commissions?

You will also receive a 1099. (They are not due until Feb 15
of this year so you may not have seen it yet.)

On Schedule D, you need to enter the "cost or other basis"
and the "sales price". The "cost or other basis" will be the sum
of the the option price that you paid when you exercised and the
income reported on the W2. The "sales price" will be the amount you
received from the sale, reported on the 1099, and this amount
should be net of Merrill's commissions and fees. The resulting
gain will be close to, but not exactly zero.

The W2 income is also reported on 1040 in the usual way for
wage income.

Steve

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:33 AM
Phil Marti
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"Bonnie Forman" wrote:

- quote -

> In 2008 I exercised some of my company stock options I was given in
> 2002. It was a Cashless transaction. My companies stock options are
> handled through Merril Lynch.
> Shortly after the transaction I received some paperwork showing the
> details of the transaction, including taxes and fees that were withheld.
> This income and tax withholding is included on the W2 form I received
> from my company. (There is a V in box 12c, and I've done the math to
> confirm it was included.)
> I am using Turbotax to do my taxes.
> Since the income was already added and taxes were withheld, do I still
> have to enter it in Turbotax (which I believe will include a Schedule
> D)? Won't it then add it to my income again?


Yes you do, and no, it won't. The amount deemed to be wages (the box 12 "V"
amount) adds to your basis. On Schedule D you'll wind up with a short-term
loss equal to the fees.

Don't try to do this through the interview. Use Forms mode to directly
enter the stock sale to a 1099-B input screen.
--
Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:12 AM
Bonnie Forman
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Default Non-Qualified Stock Options and Schedule D?

Hello -

In 2008 I exercised some of my company stock options I was given in
2002. It was a Cashless transaction. My companies stock options are
handled through Merril Lynch.

Shortly after the transaction I received some paperwork showing the
details of the transaction, including taxes and fees that were withheld.

This income and tax withholding is included on the W2 form I received
from my company. (There is a V in box 12c, and I've done the math to
confirm it was included.)

I am using Turbotax to do my taxes.

Since the income was already added and taxes were withheld, do I still
have to enter it in Turbotax (which I believe will include a Schedule
D)? Won't it then add it to my income again?

Also, can I deduct the Merrill Lynch fees and commissions?

TIA

Bonnie

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