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| On Mar 31, 10:52 am, smithf...[at]aol.com wrote: - quote - > On Mar 31, 6:10 am, 0b3hks...[at]sneakemail.com wrote:
I did not liquidate ALL my Roth IRA a/c -- just 2008 contribution in> > On Feb 1, 9:47 pm, 0b3hks...[at]sneakemail.com wrote: > > > I made the full 2008 Roth IRA contribution in 1/2008. And the market > > > has fallen over the clif in 2008. I understand the I can withdraw my > > > 2008 contribution plus [negative] earnings -- esentially to cancel my > > > original 2008 contribution made in 1/2008 -- with NO tax impact. I > > > did that in 11/2008 -- withdrew the entire 2008 contribution (the > > > broker made the calculation)-- and then make the full 2008 > > > contribution again in 12/2008. > > > ........... > > I forgot to ask a related question -- i.e. Do I get to deduct the > > loss [negative earnings] -- either for 2008's tax return OR some time > > in the future? > The "loss" is only deductible (as a Miscellaneous Deduction subject to > the 2% of AGI rules) if you liquidated ALL your Roth IRA accounts in > 2008. Apparently you did not do that, as you immediately jumped back > in with a further contribution. this particular Roth. So, even if I didn't jump right back in, I can't deduct the loss. But I did put in $5K and get back under $3K. So, that loss is lost forever? [I don't expect the value of all my Roth would be less than my controbutions when I start withdrawing.] TIA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Mar 31, 6:10�am, 0b3hks...[at]sneakemail.com wrote: - quote - > On Feb 1, 9:47 pm, 0b3hks...[at]sneakemail.com wrote:
The "loss" is only deductible (as a Miscellaneous Deduction subject to> > I made the full 2008 Roth IRA contribution in 1/2008. �And the market > > has fallen over the clif in 2008. �I understand �the I can withdraw my > > 2008 contribution plus [negative] earnings -- esentially to cancel my > > original 2008 contribution made in 1/2008 -- with NO tax impact. �I > > did that in 11/2008 -- withdrew the entire 2008 contribution (the > > broker made the calculation)-- and then make the full 2008 > > contribution again in 12/2008. > > ........... > I forgot to ask a related question -- i.e. �Do I get to deduct the > loss [negative earnings] -- either for 2008's tax return OR some time > in the future? the 2% of AGI rules) if you liquidated ALL your Roth IRA accounts in 2008. Apparently you did not do that, as you immediately jumped back in with a further contribution. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 1, 9:47 pm, 0b3hks...[at]sneakemail.com wrote: - quote - > I made the full 2008 Roth IRA contribution in 1/2008. And the market > has fallen over the clif in 2008. I understand the I can withdraw my > 2008 contribution plus [negative] earnings -- esentially to cancel my > original 2008 contribution made in 1/2008 -- with NO tax impact. I > did that in 11/2008 -- withdrew the entire 2008 contribution (the > broker made the calculation)-- and then make the full 2008 > contribution again in 12/2008. > ........... I forgot to ask a related question -- i.e. Do I get to deduct the loss [negative earnings] -- either for 2008's tax return OR some time in the future? TIA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <0b3hks001[at]sneakemail.com> wrote: - quote - > I made the full 2008 Roth IRA contribution in 1/2008. And the market
The J is wrong, but it doesn't matter since earnings were negative. Ignore> has fallen over the clif in 2008. I understand the I can withdraw my > 2008 contribution plus [negative] earnings -- esentially to cancel my > original 2008 contribution made in 1/2008 -- with NO tax impact. I > did that in 11/2008 -- withdrew the entire 2008 contribution (the > broker made the calculation)-- and then make the full 2008 > contribution again in 12/2008. > Now, I have the 1099R for that transaction. The code in Box 7 is "8J". > The form's explanation for 8 is "Excess contributions plus earnings/ > excess deferrals (and/or earnings) taxable in 2008." And J = "Early > distribution from a Roth IRA, no known exception (in most cases, under > age 59 1/2). [I am over 60.] > "8J" doesn't sound like the correct coding for this. Anyone knows? it. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I made the full 2008 Roth IRA contribution in 1/2008. And the market has fallen over the clif in 2008. I understand the I can withdraw my 2008 contribution plus [negative] earnings -- esentially to cancel my original 2008 contribution made in 1/2008 -- with NO tax impact. I did that in 11/2008 -- withdrew the entire 2008 contribution (the broker made the calculation)-- and then make the full 2008 contribution again in 12/2008. Now, I have the 1099R for that transaction. The code in Box 7 is "8J". The form's explanation for 8 is "Excess contributions plus earnings/ excess deferrals (and/or earnings) taxable in 2008." And J = "Early distribution from a Roth IRA, no known exception (in most cases, under age 59 1/2). [I am over 60.] "8J" doesn't sound like the correct coding for this. Anyone knows? TIA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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