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Old 02-01-2009, 02:08 AM
CBaker
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On Jan 31, 3:27*pm, spop...[at]speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
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> On Jan 31, 12:17*pm, "Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamt...[at]lexregia.com> > CBaker <cb4...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title
> > > of an airplane. *We do not operate a business, and our only income
> > > is interest from a savings account. *We file a partnership return,
> > > on which we show the interest income.
> > > *We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal
> > > property tax on the plane. * Is there a place on the partnership
> > > return to deduct these expenses? *They don't *appear to qualify as
> > > an operating expense or investment expense. *Prior to forming the
> > > LLC, we deducted them on Sch. A.

> > Nobody else has responded to this, so I'll give it a shot.
> > You admit that the partnership is not in business to make a profit, and
> > you aren't even trying to make money from it. *That makes it a hobby,
> > making your expenses non-deductible.

> Is the following valid:
> The partnership expenses flow through to each partner via
> Schedule K-1, and then the partner, depending upon whether their
> interest in the airplane is business or hobby/personal, reports
> the expense in the appropriate place on their individual return.
> This might be Schedule A.
> Is there anything incorrect here?
> Steve


We have never claimed any expenses on the partnership return, but if
we did they would flow through via the K-1 to each partner. I assume
they would be entered on the individual return on the line as directed
in the K-1 instructions. We have had only one item on the partnership
return (the dividend income) and it flows through to each partner to
Ln. 9a, Ordinary Dividends, as indicated on the K-1 instructions.

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Old 01-31-2009, 10:27 PM
Steve Pope
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Default Re: LLC expenses- where to claim?

On Jan 31, 12:17*pm, "Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamt...[at]lexregia.com
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> CBaker <cb4...[at]gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title
> > of an airplane. *We do not operate a business, and our only income
> > is interest from a savings account. *We file a partnership return,
> > on which we show the interest income.


> > *We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal
> > property tax on the plane. * Is there a place on the partnership
> > return to deduct these expenses? *They don't *appear to qualify as
> > an operating expense or investment expense. *Prior to forming the
> > LLC, we deducted them on Sch. A.


> Nobody else has responded to this, so I'll give it a shot.


> You admit that the partnership is not in business to make a profit, and
> you aren't even trying to make money from it. *That makes it a hobby,
> making your expenses non-deductible.


Is the following valid:

The partnership expenses flow through to each partner via
Schedule K-1, and then the partner, depending upon whether their
interest in the airplane is business or hobby/personal, reports
the expense in the appropriate place on their individual return.
This might be Schedule A.

Is there anything incorrect here?

Steve

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Old 01-31-2009, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: LLC expenses- where to claim?

On Jan 31, 12:17*pm, "Stuart A. Bronstein" <spamt...[at]lexregia.comwrote:
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> CBaker <cb4...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title
> > of an airplane. *We do not operate a business, and our only income
> > is interest from a savings account. *We file a partnership return,
> > on which we show the interest income.
> > *We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal
> > property tax on the plane. * Is there a place on the partnership
> > return to deduct these expenses? *They don't *appear to qualify as
> > an operating expense or investment expense. *Prior to forming the
> > LLC, we deducted them on Sch. A.

> Nobody else has responded to this, so I'll give it a shot.
> You admit that the partnership is not in business to make a profit, and
> you aren't even trying to make money from it. *That makes it a hobby,
> making your expenses non-deductible. *It may be possible that you can
> take deductions up to the amount of interest the partnership receives,
> but that depends on what you use the bank account for.
> Stu


The savings account is used to accumulate money for the eventual
replacement of the airplane engines. Each member contrubutes to the
account based on the hours flown. If this qualifies, where would it
go on the return?
Thanks for your help.

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Old 01-31-2009, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: LLC expenses- where to claim?

Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
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> CBaker <cb4442[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title
> > of an airplane. We do not operate a business, and our only income
> > is interest from a savings account. We file a partnership return,
> > on which we show the interest income.
> > > We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal

> > property tax on the plane. Is there a place on the partnership
> > return to deduct these expenses? They don't appear to qualify as
> > an operating expense or investment expense. Prior to forming the
> > LLC, we deducted them on Sch. A.

> Nobody else has responded to this, so I'll give it a shot.
> You admit that the partnership is not in business to make a profit, and
> you aren't even trying to make money from it. That makes it a hobby,
> making your expenses non-deductible. It may be possible that you can
> take deductions up to the amount of interest the partnership receives,
> but that depends on what you use the bank account for.
> Stu

I agree that there is no business being operated. However, even
when you have a hobby (not for profit activity), nonbusiness
deductions such as real and personal property taxes fall into
"Category 1" and are allowed in full on the individual's Schedule
A. I believe each partner can deduct on their individual Schedule
As, their share of any personal property taxes paid on the plane.
The OP stated that they paid real estate taxes on the hangar.
There is no mention of the LLC owning any real property. So I
don't know why they would be paying real estate taxes. But, if
they did own real property and paid real property taxes, then the
fair share of that payment would be deductible on the Schedule A.

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Old 01-31-2009, 07:17 PM
Stuart A. Bronstein
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Default Re: LLC expenses- where to claim?

CBaker <cb4442[at]gmail.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title
> of an airplane. We do not operate a business, and our only income
> is interest from a savings account. We file a partnership return,
> on which we show the interest income.
> We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal
> property tax on the plane. Is there a place on the partnership
> return to deduct these expenses? They don't appear to qualify as
> an operating expense or investment expense. Prior to forming the
> LLC, we deducted them on Sch. A.


Nobody else has responded to this, so I'll give it a shot.

You admit that the partnership is not in business to make a profit, and
you aren't even trying to make money from it. That makes it a hobby,
making your expenses non-deductible. It may be possible that you can
take deductions up to the amount of interest the partnership receives,
but that depends on what you use the bank account for.

Stu

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Old 01-30-2009, 09:41 PM
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Default LLC expenses- where to claim?

I am a member of an LLC which was formed as a means to take title of
an airplane. We do not operate a business, and our only income is
interest from a savings account. We file a partnership return, on
which we show the interest income.

We pay real estate tax on the hangar the plane is in and personal
property tax on the plane. Is there a place on the partnership
return to deduct these expenses? They don't appear to qualify as an
operating expense or investment expense. Prior to forming the LLC, we
deducted them on Sch. A.

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