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Old 01-31-2009, 01:05 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Harlan Lunsford" <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote
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> Then suppose my corporation is the small business putting her to work?
> (Forget for a moment she says she will never work for me.)
> Cost to my corporation will be her salary plus another 7.65%, plus SUTA
> and FUTA (combined 1.6%), just so she can get a credit for her 6.2% up t0
> $500? Don't need to do any more math.





Yeah, but think of all the "good" help you'll get.



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Old 01-30-2009, 11:45 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
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> "Harlan Lunsford" <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote
> > adwagner[at]hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > From the article:
> > > > > "“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than
> > > 95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
> > > bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
> > > individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
> > > calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
> > > taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
> > > for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
> > > benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
> > > withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
> > > tax returns."
> > > > > Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of
> > > 6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
> > > Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
> > > offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
> > > out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
> > > want it, but it sure seems odd to me.
> > > > > Best wishes.
> > > > It's capped not at 1000, but at 500$. Now, my problem will be to explain

> > to my (retired and not working) wife why she won't get any money.

> "I love the smell of a tax credit in the morning."
> A line never used by Francis Ford Coppola in any movie as far as I can tell.
> You see Harlan, there's time to get her a job so she has some earned income
> in each of the years at issue.
> You'd have to run the numbers to see if it's doable, but you might have a
> small business owner putting dear ol' mom and dad on payroll for the tax
> credits.
> "Oh the horrors."
> Wait, that line was used.


Then suppose my corporation is the small business putting her to work?
(Forget for a moment she says she will never work for me.)

Cost to my corporation will be her salary plus another 7.65%, plus SUTA
and FUTA (combined 1.6%), just so she can get a credit for her 6.2% up
t0 $500? Don't need to do any more math.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-30-2009, 12:32 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Harlan Lunsford" <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote
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> adwagner[at]hotmail.com wrote:
> > > From the article:
> > > "“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than

> > 95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
> > bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
> > individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
> > calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
> > taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
> > for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
> > benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
> > withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
> > tax returns."
> > > Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of

> > 6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
> > Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
> > offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
> > out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
> > want it, but it sure seems odd to me.
> > > Best wishes.

> > It's capped not at 1000, but at 500$. Now, my problem will be to explain

> to my (retired and not working) wife why she won't get any money.








"I love the smell of a tax credit in the morning."
A line never used by Francis Ford Coppola in any movie as far as I can tell.




You see Harlan, there's time to get her a job so she has some earned income
in each of the years at issue.

You'd have to run the numbers to see if it's doable, but you might have a
small business owner putting dear ol' mom and dad on payroll for the tax
credits.

"Oh the horrors."
Wait, that line was used.





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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 01-29-2009, 09:53 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Reggie wrote:
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> It helps to obfuscate the nature of all this "tax cut" stuff. it is really
> welfare in disguise.
> I suppose, also, that the phase out means that with enough income, you don't
> even get the $1,000. With enough income, you just get to pay taxes, not get
> any of the tax relief.


Well.........I for one am glad I'm paying taxes.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-29-2009, 09:51 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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adwagner[at]hotmail.com wrote:
- quote -

> > From the article:
> "“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than
> 95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
> bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
> individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
> calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
> taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
> for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
> benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
> withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
> tax returns."
> Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of
> 6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
> Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
> offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
> out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
> want it, but it sure seems odd to me.
> Best wishes.

It's capped not at 1000, but at 500$. Now, my problem will be to
explain to my (retired and not working) wife why she won't get any money.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:37 PM
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<adwagner[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:092b21ad-eb9a-468b-88c6-5dd0d105d18d[at]r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> > From the article:
> "“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than
> 95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
> bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
> individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
> calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
> taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
> for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
> benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
> withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
> tax returns."
> Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of
> 6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
> Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
> offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
> out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
> want it, but it sure seems odd to me.



It helps to obfuscate the nature of all this "tax cut" stuff. it is really
welfare in disguise.

I suppose, also, that the phase out means that with enough income, you don't
even get the $1,000. With enough income, you just get to pay taxes, not get
any of the tax relief.

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:32 PM
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adwagner[at]hotmail.com wrote:
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> > From the article:
> "“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than
> 95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
> bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
> individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
> calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
> taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
> for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
> benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
> withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
> tax returns."
> Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of
> 6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
> Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
> offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
> out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
> want it, but it sure seems odd to me.
> Best wishes.

It doesn't say you get 6.2%. It says you get the lesser of 6.2%
or $500. The 6.2% represents the rate of FICA tax. The amount
is a refundable tax credit. And... like most tax credits, it
phases out if your income gets too high.

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:15 PM
adwagner@hotmail.com
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> From the article:

"“Making Work Pay” tax credit. The bill would cut taxes for more than
95% of working families in the United States. For 2009 and 2010, the
bill would provide a refundable tax credit of up to $500 for working
individuals and $1,000 for working families. This tax credit would be
calculated at a rate of 6.2% of earned income, and would phase out for
taxpayers with adjusted gross income in excess of $75,000 ($150,000
for married couples filing jointly). Taxpayers can receive this
benefit through a reduction in the amount of income tax that is
withheld from their paychecks, or through claiming the credit on their
tax returns."

Maybe I am missing something here. It says you get a tax credit of
6.2%. If you earn exactly $150,000, that is over $9,000 in credit.
Yet the amount is apparently capped at $1000. If they are going to
offer a rate of 6.2% and cap the credit at $1000, why does the phase
out begin at $150,000 of earned income? Maybe that is the way they
want it, but it sure seems odd to me.

Best wishes.

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:15 PM
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"Alan" <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> For those of you even care about tax legislation that is not final... the
> first link is the summary from Ways & Means and the second link is the
> text. See Division B, Tax Provisions in the text of HR 1.
> http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/110/taxsum.pdf
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1:


all that money, and nothing for me!

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Old 01-29-2009, 12:42 AM
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For those of you even care about tax legislation that is not
final... the first link is the summary from Ways & Means and the
second link is the text. See Division B, Tax Provisions in the
text of HR 1.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/110/taxsum.pdf
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1:

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