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| Okla Tax-Aide had written this in response to http://www.rockryno.com/taxes/rent-m...hts-18890-.htm : ----- Marion1E[at]comcast.net wrote: - quote - > Hi everybody,
Rent on Box 1. If so list it as Rent on Sch E. Line 3. IF Bonus is from> My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe the land. She > received money from an oil company so they can do exploratory > drilling. The contract is for 5 years and she got a onetime payment > for the 5 years of $20,000. Does this go on schedule E and if yes > where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? > Thanks you, > Marion Oil companies should send you a 1099-MISC with the Lease Bonus shown as property in OKLA, it's subject to OKLA Income Tax and Oil Company MAY have with held 6% for taxes ##-----------------------------------------------## Newsgroup Access Courtesy http://www.rockryno.com/ Tax and Accounting Software Forums Web and RSS access to your favorite newsgroup - misc.taxes.moderated - 19397 messages and counting! ##-----------------------------------------------## -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Alan wrote: - quote - > Marion1E[at]comcast.net wrote:
"exactly" in the last paragraph. The 1099-MISC will contain the> > Hi everybody, > > My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe the land. She > > received money from an oil company so they can do exploratory > > drilling. The contract is for 5 years and she got a onetime payment > > for the 5 years of $20,000. Does this go on schedule E and if yes > > where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? > > > Thanks you, > > > Marion > > There is no way to answer your question without seeing the contract > between the owner of the rights and the oil company that wants to drill. > Typically, the way this works is that the rights owner signs a lease > with the oil company that provides the company the right to develop > (drill) and produce oil. The lease also typically contains a provision > for royalty payments when the oil is produced and how those payments > will be made. Royalty payments on oil are typically 1/8 of production > but could be higher. Other terms can vary. The lease is usually for a > specific duration of time.. in your mom's case five years. Usually, > when there is no periodic rental payment in the lease there is a > one-time up front payment for the rights. This is called a bonus. The > bonus is considered to be an advance royalty. Advance royalties are not > subject to any percentage depletion allowances. > So.. the end result is that the payment gets reported on Schedule E as a > royalty payment. > Just to repeat... unless one actually looks at the contract.. one does > not know. As the payment was $20,000, your mom should receive IRS Form > 1099-MISC that should identify exactly what the payment was for. I realized after I sent this that I should not have used the word amount received probably in Box 2 Royalties. However, there could also be amounts in Box 1 and Box 3. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Marion1E[at]comcast.net wrote: - quote - > Hi everybody,
contract between the owner of the rights and the oil company that> My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe the land. She > received money from an oil company so they can do exploratory > drilling. The contract is for 5 years and she got a onetime payment > for the 5 years of $20,000. Does this go on schedule E and if yes > where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? > Thanks you, > Marion There is no way to answer your question without seeing the wants to drill. Typically, the way this works is that the rights owner signs a lease with the oil company that provides the company the right to develop (drill) and produce oil. The lease also typically contains a provision for royalty payments when the oil is produced and how those payments will be made. Royalty payments on oil are typically 1/8 of production but could be higher. Other terms can vary. The lease is usually for a specific duration of time.. in your mom's case five years. Usually, when there is no periodic rental payment in the lease there is a one-time up front payment for the rights. This is called a bonus. The bonus is considered to be an advance royalty. Advance royalties are not subject to any percentage depletion allowances. So.. the end result is that the payment gets reported on Schedule E as a royalty payment. Just to repeat... unless one actually looks at the contract.. one does not know. As the payment was $20,000, your mom should receive IRS Form 1099-MISC that should identify exactly what the payment was for. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:bgLbl.4812$MT3.1406[at]bignews4.bellsouth.net... - quote - > <Marion1E[at]comcast.net> wrote
I do: As this is for oil or gas, Schedule C treatment may be> > My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe > > the land. She received money from an oil company so they > > can do exploratory drilling. The contract is for 5 years and > > she got a onetime payment for the 5 years of $20,000. > > Does this go on schedule E and if yes > > where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? > I see nothing that would indicate an entry to some place other than Schedule > E, and whether it's technically a rent or a royalty probably doesn't change > the end result of the amount of income or how it's taxed. Is there any > additional income to be expected based on any oil actually being extracted > from the property? Does the contract read such that it lends itself to look > more like lease/rent income or royalty income? appropriate. This is an exception to the general rule. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <Marion1E[at]comcast.net> wrote - quote - > My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe > the land. She received money from an oil company so they > can do exploratory drilling. The contract is for 5 years and > she got a onetime payment for the 5 years of $20,000. > Does this go on schedule E and if yes > where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? I see nothing that would indicate an entry to some place other than Schedule E, and whether it's technically a rent or a royalty probably doesn't change the end result of the amount of income or how it's taxed. Is there any additional income to be expected based on any oil actually being extracted from the property? Does the contract read such that it lends itself to look more like lease/rent income or royalty income? -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Watkinsville, Georgia -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Hi everybody, My mom has mineral rights in Oklahoma. She does not owe the land. She received money from an oil company so they can do exploratory drilling. The contract is for 5 years and she got a onetime payment for the 5 years of $20,000. Does this go on schedule E and if yes where on schedule E? Is it considered rent? Thanks you, Marion -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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