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| deddleman[at]sfidwater.org wrote: - quote - > > All of the state pension plans I am familiar with that allow a
with CSU and UC employees who belonged to CAlPers. I don't recall> > member to buy service credit, do not have pre-tax payroll > > deduction for buying of credits. Buying of credits required a > > post-tax payment by the member. If the payment was made via > > payroll deduction, it showed up in Box 14 Other of the W-2. If > > the payment was made directly, there was nothing on the W-2. > As a clarification, the plan is through CalPERS and they permit > members to choose whether the deduction is pre- or post-tax. The > member chose pre-tax. My read on Box 14 is that it's either > involuntary contributions or voluntary after-tax, so I don't think it > applies. > It's not 403(b) or 457. I don't see any codes for Box 12 that apply, > either. It's been five years since I left CA. When I was there I dealt they having the option for pre-tax payroll deduction to buy additional service credit. I am guessing, that this is probably a state employee whose employer offers this option. As the payment is coming out of wages and it is elective, I would assume that it would be treated exactly the same as the regular pre-tax contributions to the plan. Box 1 of the W-2 would not reflect the amount withheld as taxable wages and Box 12 would have the amount contributed with the code that reflected which CalPers plan the employee belonged to. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > All of the state pension plans I am familiar with that allow a
As a clarification, the plan is through CalPERS and they permit> member to buy service credit, do not have pre-tax payroll > deduction for buying of credits. *Buying of credits required a > post-tax payment by the member. *If the payment was made via > payroll deduction, it showed up in Box 14 Other of the W-2. If > the payment was made directly, there was nothing on the W-2. members to choose whether the deduction is pre- or post-tax. The member chose pre-tax. My read on Box 14 is that it's either involuntary contributions or voluntary after-tax, so I don't think it applies. It's not 403(b) or 457. I don't see any codes for Box 12 that apply, either. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Arthur Kamlet wrote: - quote - > In article <55da15ca-44ae-4a3f-9a44-d606c4794216[at]y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> ,
statement that your answer is predicated on the payment being> <deddleman[at]sfidwater.org> wrote: > > We are a local government with a pension plan through the state > > retirement system, a 401(a) plan. One of our employees is buying > > service credit through the pension. I know that what he pays from his > > paycheck is tax deferred. I don't know how it gets reported on his > > W-2. Does it go in box 12 and, if so, what's the code? Or does it not > > go on at all? > Step 1 is to confirm that you meet the requirements of being > a qualified employer savings plan. > Since you are a local government, I am guessing, but you should confirm, > that this is a 403(b) plan. > If the service credit being bought with pre-tax money, and is coming > out of gross pay, and if the plan allows this, then W-2 box 1 is > reduced by that pretax amount, but box 5 (Medicare wages) is not. > I assume you do not contribute to social security, and if true, > boxes 3 and 4 are blank. > Box 12 would contain the pretax amount, and be coded as E, which > is the code for a 403(b) plan. > > From the nature of your question, it would probably worthwhile > to have a quaalified plan expert review what you are doing. I'm only replying because I don't want the OP to miss your "pre-tax." All of the state pension plans I am familiar with that allow a member to buy service credit, do not have pre-tax payroll deduction for buying of credits. Buying of credits required a post-tax payment by the member. If the payment was made via payroll deduction, it showed up in Box 14 Other of the W-2. If the payment was made directly, there was nothing on the W-2. The after-tax amount contributed becomes part of the employees cost basis and would get reflected as an employee contribution on a 1099-R once the employee starts to take distributions from the plan. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <55da15ca-44ae-4a3f-9a44-d606c4794216[at]y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> , <deddleman[at]sfidwater.org> wrote: - quote - > We are a local government with a pension plan through the state > retirement system, a 401(a) plan. One of our employees is buying > service credit through the pension. I know that what he pays from his > paycheck is tax deferred. I don't know how it gets reported on his > W-2. Does it go in box 12 and, if so, what's the code? Or does it not > go on at all? Step 1 is to confirm that you meet the requirements of being a qualified employer savings plan. Since you are a local government, I am guessing, but you should confirm, that this is a 403(b) plan. If the service credit being bought with pre-tax money, and is coming out of gross pay, and if the plan allows this, then W-2 box 1 is reduced by that pretax amount, but box 5 (Medicare wages) is not. I assume you do not contribute to social security, and if true, boxes 3 and 4 are blank. Box 12 would contain the pretax amount, and be coded as E, which is the code for a 403(b) plan. - quote - > From the nature of your question, it would probably worthwhile
--to have a quaalified plan expert review what you are doing. ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| We are a local government with a pension plan through the state retirement system, a 401(a) plan. One of our employees is buying service credit through the pension. I know that what he pays from his paycheck is tax deferred. I don't know how it gets reported on his W-2. Does it go in box 12 and, if so, what's the code? Or does it not go on at all? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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