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Old 12-03-2008, 02:18 AM
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In misc.taxes.moderated, jack wrote:

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> Those penalties on late payments, not on missing estimated payments. At
> least the way I am reading it. You can't be late until it is due, and it is
> not due until April 15th.


Expect the same or similar rates on late quarterlies. I can't
confirm that for all, but I know that is the for some.

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Old 12-02-2008, 08:40 PM
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On Dec 2, 12:19*am, "jack" <j...[at]yahoo.org> wrote:
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> "DF2" <replyvia[at]newsgroup_please.com> wrote in message
> news:a3o8j4lfuhu9m4esjnculqbjfp1qvvm7kc[at]4ax.com...
> > In misc.taxes.moderated, jack wrote:
> > > Estimated tax payments really aren't a big deal. *The worst that can
> > > happen
> > > is that you have to pay interest on what you should have paid; and the
> > > interest rate is pretty low now. *And it would just be interest from the
> > > date of the last payment.
> > > I used to think there were penalties for failing to pay enough, but its
> > > just
> > > the interest.

> > It's what, 0.5%/ month, 6% per annum? *That is a fairly low interest
> > compared to some interest rates, but it's really low compared to
> > what some states charge:
> > http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/NJ.asp
> > Interest, computed at the rate of 3 percentage (3%) points above the
> > prime rate for every month or fraction of a month the tax is unpaid,
> > compounded annually. At the end of each calendar year, any tax,
> > penalties and interest remaining due will become part of the balance
> > on which interest is charged.
> > http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/wi.asp
> > In all cases, interest will be charged at a rate of 1% per month
> > from the date the tax should have been paid (April 15, 2008) until
> > the date of payment. In addition, the state may assess the following
> > penalties:
> > * ** Late Payment Penalty. Wisconsin may also assess additional
> > late payment penalties at a rate of 18% per year on the outstanding
> > balance if you do not pay the total tax due by August 15, 2008.
> > http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/il.asp
> > * ** 2 percent of any amount that is paid up to 30 days late;
> > * ** 10 percent of any amount that is paid 31 or more days late.
> > .... and so on.

> Those penalties on late payments, not on missing estimated payments. *At
> least the way I am reading it. *You can't be late until it is due, and it is
> not due until April 15th.

Think of April 15th as "tax reconciliation day." Taxes are due as you
earn the money.

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Old 12-02-2008, 08:29 PM
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"JGE" <jge[at]cs.unc.edu> wrote in message
news:ab81ab6b-3aa1-4720-baf0-875cf1879c29[at]j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> After I finished my 2007 return, it looked like I would likely have an
> excessive tax due for 2008, due to some self-employment income.
> So I "signed up" to make 4 quarterly estimated-tax payments against
> my 2008 taxes, with the last due in January 2009.
> However, preliminary calculations show that I'll be in good shape
> (unlikely to have an excessive penalty-triggering tax due) even if
> I never make that final payment in Jan '09. My question is, am I
> in good shape as regards the "estimated tax payments made
> on-time" if I simply skip that last payment ? I would assume so,
> since my payments appear to be "enough" and they are front-weighted
> in the sense that I'm skipping the last payment, not any earlier ones.

I would be remiss in not pointing out that it can affect AMT. If you will
be in AMT next year but not this year you will want to make darn sure you
get payments in this year. And visa versa.

I learned this the hard way.

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Old 12-02-2008, 04:19 AM
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"DF2" <replyvia[at]newsgroup_please.com> wrote in message
news:a3o8j4lfuhu9m4esjnculqbjfp1qvvm7kc[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> In misc.taxes.moderated, jack wrote:
> > Estimated tax payments really aren't a big deal. The worst that can
> > happen
> > is that you have to pay interest on what you should have paid; and the
> > interest rate is pretty low now. And it would just be interest from the
> > date of the last payment.
> > > I used to think there were penalties for failing to pay enough, but its

> > just
> > the interest.

> It's what, 0.5%/ month, 6% per annum? That is a fairly low interest
> compared to some interest rates, but it's really low compared to
> what some states charge:
> http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/NJ.asp
> Interest, computed at the rate of 3 percentage (3%) points above the
> prime rate for every month or fraction of a month the tax is unpaid,
> compounded annually. At the end of each calendar year, any tax,
> penalties and interest remaining due will become part of the balance
> on which interest is charged.
> http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/wi.asp
> In all cases, interest will be charged at a rate of 1% per month
> from the date the tax should have been paid (April 15, 2008) until
> the date of payment. In addition, the state may assess the following
> penalties:
> * Late Payment Penalty. Wisconsin may also assess additional
> late payment penalties at a rate of 18% per year on the outstanding
> balance if you do not pay the total tax due by August 15, 2008.
> http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/il.asp
> * 2 percent of any amount that is paid up to 30 days late;
> * 10 percent of any amount that is paid 31 or more days late.
> .... and so on.

Those penalties on late payments, not on missing estimated payments. At
least the way I am reading it. You can't be late until it is due, and it is
not due until April 15th.

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<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: skip last estimated tax payment ?

In misc.taxes.moderated, jack wrote:


- quote -

> Estimated tax payments really aren't a big deal. The worst that can happen
> is that you have to pay interest on what you should have paid; and the
> interest rate is pretty low now. And it would just be interest from the
> date of the last payment.
> I used to think there were penalties for failing to pay enough, but its just
> the interest.


It's what, 0.5%/ month, 6% per annum? That is a fairly low interest
compared to some interest rates, but it's really low compared to
what some states charge:

http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/NJ.asp
Interest, computed at the rate of 3 percentage (3%) points above the
prime rate for every month or fraction of a month the tax is unpaid,
compounded annually. At the end of each calendar year, any tax,
penalties and interest remaining due will become part of the balance
on which interest is charged.

http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/wi.asp
In all cases, interest will be charged at a rate of 1% per month
from the date the tax should have been paid (April 15, 2008) until
the date of payment. In addition, the state may assess the following
penalties:

* Late Payment Penalty. Wisconsin may also assess additional
late payment penalties at a rate of 18% per year on the outstanding
balance if you do not pay the total tax due by August 15, 2008.

http://www.taxbrain.com/taxcenter/extensions/il.asp
* 2 percent of any amount that is paid up to 30 days late;
* 10 percent of any amount that is paid 31 or more days late.

..... and so on.

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Old 12-01-2008, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: skip last estimated tax payment ?

My question is, am I
- quote -

> in good shape as regards the "estimated tax payments made
> on-time" if I simply skip that last payment ? I would assume so,
> since my payments appear to be "enough" and they are front-weighted
> in the sense that I'm skipping the last payment, not any earlier ones.
> Thanks !

Estimated tax payments really aren't a big deal. The worst that can happen
is that you have to pay interest on what you should have paid; and the
interest rate is pretty low now. And it would just be interest from the
date of the last payment.

I used to think there were penalties for failing to pay enough, but its just
the interest.

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Old 12-01-2008, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: skip last estimated tax payment ?

In misc.taxes.moderated, JGE wrote:

- quote -

> After I finished my 2007 return, it looked like I would likely have an
> excessive tax due for 2008, due to some self-employment income.
> So I "signed up" to make 4 quarterly estimated-tax payments against
> my 2008 taxes, with the last due in January 2009.
> However, preliminary calculations show that I'll be in good shape
> (unlikely to have an excessive penalty-triggering tax due) even if
> I never make that final payment in Jan '09. My question is, am I
> in good shape as regards the "estimated tax payments made
> on-time" if I simply skip that last payment ? I would assume so,
> since my payments appear to be "enough" and they are front-weighted
> in the sense that I'm skipping the last payment, not any earlier ones.


No problem. There will probably be a lot of people in the same boat
this year.

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Old 12-01-2008, 03:30 PM
JGE
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After I finished my 2007 return, it looked like I would likely have an
excessive tax due for 2008, due to some self-employment income.
So I "signed up" to make 4 quarterly estimated-tax payments against
my 2008 taxes, with the last due in January 2009.

However, preliminary calculations show that I'll be in good shape
(unlikely to have an excessive penalty-triggering tax due) even if
I never make that final payment in Jan '09. My question is, am I
in good shape as regards the "estimated tax payments made
on-time" if I simply skip that last payment ? I would assume so,
since my payments appear to be "enough" and they are front-weighted
in the sense that I'm skipping the last payment, not any earlier ones.

Thanks !

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