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Old 11-15-2008, 11:25 PM
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My interest wrote:
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> Thanks. One thing I am not exactly sure (this is why I asked this
> question in the first place) is whether paying 1 full year UK NI will
> be treated as paying 1 full year US SSN (i.e. earning 4 credits)?
> > From you reply, the answer seems to be yes. Can you confirm? The

> reason I am a bit worried is because, in UK, you need to pay 40 years
> NI in order to qualify a full state pension while in US you only need
> 40 credits (i.e. 10 years) in order to fully fund your account, So
> whether this will imply you need 4 year UK NI in exchange for 1 year
> US SSN? Thanks.

Verbatim from the treaty: (a UK contribution is a week)

================================================== ===============

# In determining eligibility for benefits under paragraph 1, the
Agency of the United States shall credit:


1. one quarter of coverage for every thirteen contributions
or fraction thereof paid or credited in any contribution year
before April 6, 1975 under the laws specified in Article
2.1(b)(i) and (ii); and


2. one quarter of coverage for every thirteen contributions
calculated in accordance with Article 9.5, or fraction thereof,
paid or credited in any United Kingdom tax year beginning after
April 5, 1975 under the laws specified in Article 2.1(b)(i) and
(ii); and


3. one quarter of coverage for each annual contribution
factor of 0.25 or any part thereof which has been derived under
the laws specified in Article 2.1(b)(iii); and


4. one quarter of coverage for every thirteen contributions
or fraction thereof paid or credited in any contribution year
under the laws specified in Article 2.1(b)(iv);


provided, however, that periods of coverage credited under
United States laws shall not exceed four quarters of coverage in
any calendar year.

================================================== ==============

Basically, if you had covered work all year in the UK, the US
would give you 4 quarters of credit.

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Old 11-15-2008, 08:45 PM
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Default Re: US/UK SSN Treaty

Thanks. One thing I am not exactly sure (this is why I asked this
question in the first place) is whether paying 1 full year UK NI will
be treated as paying 1 full year US SSN (i.e. earning 4 credits)?
- quote -

> From you reply, the answer seems to be yes. Can you confirm? The
reason I am a bit worried is because, in UK, you need to pay 40 years
NI in order to qualify a full state pension while in US you only need
40 credits (i.e. 10 years) in order to fully fund your account, So
whether this will imply you need 4 year UK NI in exchange for 1 year
US SSN? Thanks.

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Old 11-15-2008, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: US/UK SSN Treaty

My interest wrote:
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> I am not sure whether this is the right group to ask this question,
> but I cannot find a more suitable forum so just try my luck here. (If
> anybody knows a more suitable forum, please let me know.)
> I am a British citizen and has paid 6 years UK NI (SSN tax equivalent)
> and 5 years US SSN tax already. If I understand the US/UK social
> security treaty correctly, does it mean that I am already qualified 1/
> of the US social security payment upon reaching retirement age
> already?
> Thanks.

Assuming that between the UK & US you have the equivalent of 40
credits (max of 4 credits per year for covered earnings), then
you would be eligible for a US benefit. In addition, if you have
the equivalent of 11 years of service between the two countries,
you would appear to be eligible for a reduced basic pension from
the UK.

If you reside in the US, you can apply for US benefits at any US
SSA office and simultaneously apply for UK benefits by using Form
SSA-2490. If you reside in the UK, contact the benefits folks at
the US Embassy in London at 207-499-9000 to apply for US benefits.

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Old 11-15-2008, 05:30 PM
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Default US/UK SSN Treaty

I am not sure whether this is the right group to ask this question,
but I cannot find a more suitable forum so just try my luck here. (If
anybody knows a more suitable forum, please let me know.)

I am a British citizen and has paid 6 years UK NI (SSN tax equivalent)
and 5 years US SSN tax already. If I understand the US/UK social
security treaty correctly, does it mean that I am already qualified 1/
of the US social security payment upon reaching retirement age
already?

Thanks.

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