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| In article <946a0e77-b220-4009-b90e-d77c7f8bbe15[at]f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com> , dapperdobbs <GeorgeCFL[at]hotmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On Nov 12, 12:14*am, William Brenner <wbren...[at]nospamplease.net> wrote:
Lehman stock is still trading. If you don't sell it this year, you> > > I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in > > order to establish a tax loss. > This close to the end of the year, I wonder if it would be possible to > wait for next January to take the loss - if you might benefit from > that delay. don't get to take a loss this year (even if you want to). Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "William Brenner" <wbrenner[at]nospamplease.net> wrote in message news:%lNSk.87757$XB4.10349[at]bignews9.bellsouth.net... - quote - > D. Stussy wrote:
It will be published in a document by the Court.> > > Shares need not be sold if the Bankruptcy Court states they're worthless. > > How does one determine whether such is the case? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| D. Stussy wrote: - quote - > Shares need not be sold if the Bankruptcy Court states they're worthless. How does one determine whether such is the case? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Bill Brown <brownwp[at]longwood.edu> wrote: - quote - > William Brenner <wbren...[at]nospamplease.net> wrote:
So often I have made the offer to buy shares of worthless> > Can it be to a family member or must it > > be "arms length"? > The sale must be to an unrelated party. Losses on sales to > related parties cannot be recognized on the seller's tax return. securities, i.e., <= one cent per share, for market value. There have been no takers. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Nov 12, 12:14*am, William Brenner <wbren...[at]nospamplease.netwrote: - quote - > I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in
This close to the end of the year, I wonder if it would be possible to> order to establish a tax loss. > Bill wait for next January to take the loss - if you might benefit from that delay. If for some reason you found that you were unable to make the disposition in January, then it would just go down on your 2008 filing (not due until April). -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| William Brenner wrote: - quote - > Two years ago, I was fortunate to be able to
Joe gave you correct guidance. I join you in tears, for my considerable> purchase shares of a new limited edition > Lehman Brothers preferred stock. > My luck ran out when Treasury Secretary > Paulson -- no doubt having seen my name on > the shareholder list -- decided that Lehman > must go down. > (Remainder omitted for brevity) investment in WAMU went down the drain this year, after the bank was taken over by FDIC. I can verify that my broker considerately sold the (worthless) shares to some arbitrageur for the about 6 cents/share, and did not charge any commission. (After all, they did collect a significant commission for the purchase.) Bill -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| William Brenner wrote: - quote - > Two years ago, I was fortunate to be able to purchase shares of a new
TOTALLY worthless securities do not have to be sold--you just enter> limited edition Lehman Brothers preferred stock. > My luck ran out when Treasury Secretary Paulson -- no doubt having seen > my name on the shareholder list -- decided that Lehman must go down. > I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in > order to establish a tax loss. The question is: Does the nature of the > sale matter so long as it is at the then current market price -- now > $.01 per share (vs $25 cost)? Can it be to a family member or must it > be "arms length"? The shares are held by a broker in the name of my > revocable trust. I would prefer to not increase the loss by way of > paying a commission out of pocket. > Thank you for your help. > Tearfully, > Bill them on Schedule D as having been sold on the last day of the year. http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq-kw210.html -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "William Brenner" <wbrenner[at]nospamplease.net> wrote in message news:lytSk.58744$XT1.27772[at]bignews5.bellsouth.net... - quote - > Two years ago, I was fortunate to be able to purchase shares of a new
Shares need not be sold if the Bankruptcy Court states they're worthless.> limited edition Lehman Brothers preferred stock. > My luck ran out when Treasury Secretary Paulson -- no doubt having seen > my name on the shareholder list -- decided that Lehman must go down. > I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in > order to establish a tax loss. The question is: Does the nature of the > sale matter so long as it is at the then current market price -- now > $.01 per share (vs $25 cost)? Can it be to a family member or must it > be "arms length"? The shares are held by a broker in the name of my > revocable trust. I would prefer to not increase the loss by way of > paying a commission out of pocket. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Nov 12, 12:14*am, William Brenner <wbren...[at]nospamplease.netwrote: - quote - > Can it be to a family member or must it
The sale must be to an unrelated party. Losses on sales to related> be "arms length"? parties cannot be recognized on the seller's tax return. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| William Brenner wrote: - quote - > Two years ago, I was fortunate to be able to purchase shares of a new
Consensus reply regarding the sale of bankrupt companies like this was> limited edition Lehman Brothers preferred stock. > My luck ran out when Treasury Secretary Paulson -- no doubt having seen > my name on the shareholder list -- decided that Lehman must go down. > I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in > order to establish a tax loss. The question is: Does the nature of the > sale matter so long as it is at the then current market price -- now > $.01 per share (vs $25 cost)? Can it be to a family member or must it > be "arms length"? The shares are held by a broker in the name of my > revocable trust. I would prefer to not increase the loss by way of > paying a commission out of pocket. that most brokers will sell as a courtesy and you won't pay a commission beyond the sale. I learned this the hard way after the netcom bubble of 1999-2001. Joe www.blog.joetaxpayer.com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Two years ago, I was fortunate to be able to purchase shares of a new limited edition Lehman Brothers preferred stock. My luck ran out when Treasury Secretary Paulson -- no doubt having seen my name on the shareholder list -- decided that Lehman must go down. I know from reading these hallowed pages that the shares must be sold in order to establish a tax loss. The question is: Does the nature of the sale matter so long as it is at the then current market price -- now $.01 per share (vs $25 cost)? Can it be to a family member or must it be "arms length"? The shares are held by a broker in the name of my revocable trust. I would prefer to not increase the loss by way of paying a commission out of pocket. Thank you for your help. Tearfully, Bill -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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