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Old 11-20-2008, 11:08 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Dick Adams wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
> > > But that won't help with the second fry.

> > I was about to say, "the secrets of success in accounting are:
> > Pro rate and Allocate".

> And all these years, I thought it was "Plug n Fudge".
> Dick

Well, at least that's what I used to tell my accounting students! And
speaking of success in accounting.

The senior partner of a major firm was at his retirement dinner after 45
years of continuous and most prosperous service to both his firm and the
profession. His successor was speaking after dinner and related how he
noticed the senior every morning upon arriving at the office going to
his wall safe, unlocking it, taking out a small folded piece of paper,
opening it up and reading it while in deep thought. He would then nod,
smile and replace the memo and spin the lock on the safe.

So, he asked the senior, just what was so important about that after all
these long years of working in public accounting? What IS written on
that piece of paper. the senior just sat silent, but after dinner
passed along to his successor the combo to the safe.

Next morning, he couldn't wait to get to the office and open the safe.
36 right; 37, left; 11 to the right! Click! suspense............!

He took out the small quad folded note and opened it up and to his
amazement it read:

.....

.....



...



..
"Debits to the door; credits towards the window."



(grin)



ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Dick Adams
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Harlan Lunsford <lunstax[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:

> > But that won't help with the second fry.


> I was about to say, "the secrets of success in accounting are:
> Pro rate and Allocate".


And all these years, I thought it was "Plug n Fudge".

Dick

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Old 11-20-2008, 05:44 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Stuart A. Bronstein wrote:
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> sethb[at]panix.com (Seth) wrote:
> > Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > "Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote
> > > > (Is use tax about "first use"?
> > > First use or consumption. That's the technicals, but it'll never
> > > get that far in reality (or yet anyway). As the law is written,
> > > if Iwere to go to Phjoenix City Alabama and buy a Big MAc meal
> > > then drive into Georgia to consume that meal, the use tax is due
> > > on that consumption,

> > So in that situation you should eat one fry in Alabama ("first
> > use") to avoid the issue?

> But that won't help with the second fry.


I was about to say, "the secrets of success in accounting are: Pro
rate and Allocate".

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-20-2008, 03:27 PM
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sethb[at]panix.com (Seth) wrote:
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> Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > "Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote


> > > (Is use tax about "first use"?
> > > First use or consumption. That's the technicals, but it'll never

> > get that far in reality (or yet anyway). As the law is written,
> > if Iwere to go to Phjoenix City Alabama and buy a Big MAc meal
> > then drive into Georgia to consume that meal, the use tax is due
> > on that consumption,

> So in that situation you should eat one fry in Alabama ("first
> use") to avoid the issue?


But that won't help with the second fry.

Stu

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Old 11-20-2008, 03:07 PM
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In article <ti3Rk.170$Lv6.0[at]bignews8.bellsouth.net> ,
Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> "Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote
> > (Is use tax about "first use"?

> First use or consumption. That's the technicals, but it'll never get that
> far in reality (or yet anyway). As the law is written, if Iwere to go to
> Phjoenix City Alabama and buy a Big MAc meal then drive into Georgia to
> consume that meal, the use tax is due on that consumption,


So in that situation you should eat one fry in Alabama ("first use")
to avoid the issue?

Seth

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Old 11-08-2008, 04:59 PM
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paultry wrote:
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> Harlan Lunsford wrote:
> > Howsoever...... The Georgia use tax is 4%, at least I reckon it is,
> > and since you get a credit for any sales tax paid the other state,
> > Alabama, whose rate is also 4% it nets out to zero.

> But what about those untaxed groceries purchased in Florida and taken
> home to Alabama?

If Phenix city were close to Florida, that might matter.

On a more practical note however, Georgia, just across the river doesn't
have a state sales tax on groceries, so my wife pays only the local
sales taxes of 3% the few and "de minimus" times she shops there.

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-08-2008, 02:31 PM
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:

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> Howsoever...... The Georgia use tax is 4%, at least I reckon it is,
> and since you get a credit for any sales tax paid the other state,
> Alabama, whose rate is also 4% it nets out to zero.


But what about those untaxed groceries purchased in Florida
and taken home to Alabama?

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Old 11-08-2008, 02:13 AM
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
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> First use or consumption. That's the technicals, but it'll never get that
> far in reality (or yet anyway). As the law is written, if Iwere to go to
> Phjoenix City Alabama and buy a Big MAc meal then drive into Georgia to
> consume that meal, the use tax is due on that consumption, although the
> amount is minimal when consider the cost and the fact that the evidence the
> tax collector might use is kind of $hi++y.


(balance snipped....)

Howsoever...... The Georgia use tax is 4%, at least I reckon it is,
and since you get a credit for any sales tax paid the other state,
Alabama, whose rate is also 4% it nets out to zero.

Clarification: "Phjoenix" = "Phenix" City.

grin

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-07-2008, 09:31 PM
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"Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote
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> (Is use tax about "first use"?


First use or consumption. That's the technicals, but it'll never get that
far in reality (or yet anyway). As the law is written, if Iwere to go to
Phjoenix City Alabama and buy a Big MAc meal then drive into Georgia to
consume that meal, the use tax is due on that consumption, although the
amount is minimal when consider the cost and the fact that the evidence the
tax collector might use is kind of $hi++y.

But lets bring that to reality and address the tire being "used" in that
state. A contractor is generally considered to be the end user / consumer
of the materials it uses to build the building. They pay sales tax on the
materials when they buy them. If, say, the plumber with the contract to
plumb a new 150 room dorm at the University calls the toilet manufacturer
and gets them to load up a truck for delivery (or they go and get it), then
a "use" tax is due from the contractor to the state the building is in - not
the state they buy it from.





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> So if I buy something in a no-sales-tax state and
> use it before returning home, no use tax is owed?)




Absolutely.





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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 11-07-2008, 05:17 PM
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In article <ISGQk.52755$IB6.333[at]bignews8.bellsouth.net> ,
Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> "Stuart Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote
> > "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:


> > > But if you get a flat, have someone watch your back while you
> > > change the tire?
> > > Remember the use tax?

> Right..............
> I first "used" that tire in that state, so.....


You didn't first use it for the exercise of lifting it into your trunk
in the state where you bought it?

(Is use tax about "first use"? So if I buy something in a
no-sales-tax state and use it before returning home, no use tax is
owed?)

Seth

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Old 11-06-2008, 08:54 PM
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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote

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> I'm entitled.




Yeah. Not by the Dems measure.





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Old 11-06-2008, 08:10 PM
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
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> "Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote

> > And just to THINK about their consideration of a second stimulus tax
> > package. brrr....!

> My take on that was it's for the unemployed, so pay it out through
> unemployment benefits or other welfare systems and not involve the tax
> system. As it is, it'll be January when the new Bozo's take control, and
> it'll be into February or March before most find their way around inside the
> beltway, April or May before any respectable (and that may be what keeps it
> held up for months) legislation comes forward. By then we're well on the
> way out of the recession they're just now deciding we're in. Most of the 08
> returns will be filed.


Huh? via umployment benefits? You mean I won't get another
1,200$?????? But..... I'm entitled.
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> All I see from this is more business in tax planning for the new 2010 tax
> laws.
> Ka CHING!


ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-06-2008, 07:29 PM
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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote
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> rick++ wrote:
> > Congress made up for it by adding tax law
> > amendments to major pieces of 2008 legislation.
> > These include Stimulus Act, Housing Rescue Act,
> > Energy Act, and the Big "Bailout" Act. Lots of things
> > to bedevil tax preparers next season.
> > And just to THINK about their consideration of a second stimulus tax

> package. brrr....!





My take on that was it's for the unemployed, so pay it out through
unemployment benefits or other welfare systems and not involve the tax
system. As it is, it'll be January when the new Bozo's take control, and
it'll be into February or March before most find their way around inside the
beltway, April or May before any respectable (and that may be what keeps it
held up for months) legislation comes forward. By then we're well on the
way out of the recession they're just now deciding we're in. Most of the 08
returns will be filed.



All I see from this is more business in tax planning for the new 2010 tax
laws.




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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 11-06-2008, 05:59 PM
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rick++ wrote:
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> Congress made up for it by adding tax law
> amendments to major pieces of 2008 legislation.
> These include Stimulus Act, Housing Rescue Act,
> Energy Act, and the Big "Bailout" Act. Lots of things
> to bedevil tax preparers next season.

And just to THINK about their consideration of a second stimulus tax
package. brrr....!

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-06-2008, 05:58 PM
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
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> But if you get a flat, have someone watch your back while you change the
> tire?


Hmm, sort of like having two flat tires on a country road up in Tugaloo
river country. scarrrry!

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 11-06-2008, 05:47 PM
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"Stuart Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote
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> "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote
> > > dapperdobbs wrote:
> > > > It'd be kind of scary just driving through Oregon ... never
> > > > know when you might be taxed!
> > > > > Don't worry, you can drive across the state on I-5 at a
> > > reasonable speed without spending the night ...
> > > But if you get a flat, have someone watch your back while you

> > change the tire?

> Remember the use tax?




Right..............

I first "used" that tire in that state, so.....



Oh the wicked tax tales we could weave.




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Old 11-06-2008, 05:15 PM
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"Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote
> > dapperdobbs wrote:


> > > It'd be kind of scary just driving through Oregon ... never
> > > know when you might be taxed!
> > > Don't worry, you can drive across the state on I-5 at a

> > reasonable speed without spending the night ...

> But if you get a flat, have someone watch your back while you
> change the tire?


Remember the use tax?

Stu

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Old 11-06-2008, 01:05 PM
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"Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote
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> dapperdobbs wrote:
> > It'd be kind of scary just driving through Oregon ... never
> > know when you might be taxed!

> Don't worry, you can drive across the state on I-5 at a reasonable speed
> without spending the night ...






But if you get a flat, have someone watch your back while you change the
tire?




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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 11-06-2008, 02:27 AM
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dapperdobbs wrote:

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> Glanced at Oregon - a girl there had told me there was no income tax.

It's Washington that has no income tax in that corner of the country.

- quote -

> It'd be kind of scary just driving through Oregon ... never
> know when you might be taxed!


Don't worry, you can drive across the state on I-5 at a reasonable speed
without spending the night ...

-Mark Bole

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Old 11-05-2008, 09:28 PM
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Congress made up for it by adding tax law
amendments to major pieces of 2008 legislation.
These include Stimulus Act, Housing Rescue Act,
Energy Act, and the Big "Bailout" Act. Lots of things
to bedevil tax preparers next season.

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