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Old 11-04-2008, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: W-2 box 10 (dep. care) - includes forfeited amount?

On Nov 3, 10:20*pm, Mark Bole <ma...[at]pacbell.net> wrote:
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> A friendly contention has arisen with a colleague -- namely, does the
> amount reported by the employer for dependent care benefits under a
> Section 125 (cafeteria) plan, in Box 10 of the Form W-2, include
> forfeited amounts (gross) or only amounts actually reimbursed (net)?
> *From IRS Pub 15-B, and other IRS pubs, seem to skirt the issue:
> "Form W-2. * Report the value of all dependent care assistance you
> provide to an employee under a dependent care assistance program in box
> 10 of the employee's Form W-2. Include any amounts you cannot exclude
> from the employee's wages in boxes 1, 3, and 5."
> -Mark Bole

The "amount you cannot exclude" would be anything over $5,000,
correct?

Amount paid (net) is in Box 10. If less than this amount is used for
dep. care, then
"DCB" appears on Line 7 of the 1040, showing the additional income.

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Old 11-04-2008, 12:46 PM
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Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:
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> "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote
> > A friendly contention has arisen with a colleague -- namely, does the
> > amount reported by the employer for dependent care benefits under a Section
> > 125 (cafeteria) plan, in Box 10 of the Form W-2, include forfeited amounts
> > (gross) or only amounts actually reimbursed (net)?
> > > From IRS Pub 15-B, and other IRS pubs, seem to skirt the issue:
> > > "Form W-2. Report the value of all dependent care assistance you provide

> > to an employee under a dependent care assistance program in box 10 of the
> > employee's Form W-2. Include any amounts you cannot exclude from the
> > employee's wages in boxes 1, 3, and 5."



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> I don't see this as a tax issue, but one of employer honesty. What is the
> "value of all dependent care assistance" paid for, and report that amount.
> That the employer happened to have received a few bucks more than their
> costs shouldn't impact the reporting on the W-2.



I was looking at it from the *employee* point of view. Line 16 of Form
2441 asks for the forfeited amount, and the form instructions give an
example where gross amount is reported in box 10, then employee states
amount forfeited on Form 2441, line 16, where it is subtracted from the
gross. Someone else is telling me that only the net amount (what was
actually reimbursed) should be reported in Box 10 of W-2, which means
the employee would never use Line 16 of Form 2441. I'm just trying to
find out which is "right" (or at least, which is more common).

-Mark Bole

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Old 11-04-2008, 12:16 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote
- quote -

> A friendly contention has arisen with a colleague -- namely, does the
> amount reported by the employer for dependent care benefits under a Section
> 125 (cafeteria) plan, in Box 10 of the Form W-2, include forfeited amounts
> (gross) or only amounts actually reimbursed (net)?
> From IRS Pub 15-B, and other IRS pubs, seem to skirt the issue:
> "Form W-2. Report the value of all dependent care assistance you provide
> to an employee under a dependent care assistance program in box 10 of the
> employee's Form W-2. Include any amounts you cannot exclude from the
> employee's wages in boxes 1, 3, and 5."







I don't see this as a tax issue, but one of employer honesty. What is the
"value of all dependent care assistance" paid for, and report that amount.
That the employer happened to have received a few bucks more than their
costs shouldn't impact the reporting on the W-2.





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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 11-04-2008, 02:20 AM
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Default W-2 box 10 (dep. care) - includes forfeited amount?

A friendly contention has arisen with a colleague -- namely, does the
amount reported by the employer for dependent care benefits under a
Section 125 (cafeteria) plan, in Box 10 of the Form W-2, include
forfeited amounts (gross) or only amounts actually reimbursed (net)?

From IRS Pub 15-B, and other IRS pubs, seem to skirt the issue:

"Form W-2. Report the value of all dependent care assistance you
provide to an employee under a dependent care assistance program in box
10 of the employee's Form W-2. Include any amounts you cannot exclude
from the employee's wages in boxes 1, 3, and 5."


-Mark Bole

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