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Old 11-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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Bill Brown <brownwp[at]longwood.edu> wrote:
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> nonse...[at]mynonsense.net wrote:
> > If I go the loan amount, why is there a $12k limit/year?

> There is no such limit (as stated by dpb). Where Bronstein said, "If
> it's loans, each one can give you $12,000 ...," I believe he made a
> typo and should have said, "It it's gifts ..."


Exactly. Thanks for the correction.

Stu

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Old 11-04-2008, 01:49 AM
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On Nov 3, 5:40*pm, nonse...[at]mynonsense.net wrote:

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> If I go the loan amount, why is there a $12k limit/year?

There is no such limit (as stated by dpb). Where Bronstein said, "If
it's loans, each one can give you $12,000 ...," I believe he made a
typo and should have said, "It it's gifts ..."

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Old 11-03-2008, 10:09 PM
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nonsense[at]mynonsense.net wrote:
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> On Nov 3, 3:41 pm, Stuart Bronstein <spamt...[at]lexregia.com> wrote:
> > If it's loans, each one can give you $12,000 each year. So they could
> > give you $24,000 now and another $6,000 in January. If you're married
> > it's double. But them making gifts to you and then you making gifts
> > back is a lot more trouble than it's worth.

> If I go the loan amount, why is there a $12k limit/year? I would think
> there is no limit so long as they are charging market value interest
> rates?
> Regarding the gifting, what more do we need than a signed piece of
> paper saying the money was gifted and gifted back?


The $12K limit is the gifting limit; nothing to do w/ a bona fide loan.

For gifts under that, there's nothing at all required.

In fact, creating a paper trail of a supposed "gift" w/ the strings
attached that it was expected to be paid back would negate it actually
being a gift. Of course, that there's any expectation written or not
that the purported gift is to be repaid means it isn't really a gift at
all but a sham to avoid legitimate loan and (presumably) the need of the
"gifter" to report interest as income and the need for the "giftee" to
pay interest.

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Old 11-03-2008, 09:40 PM
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On Nov 3, 3:41 pm, Stuart Bronstein <spamt...[at]lexregia.com> wrote:

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> If it's loans, each one can give you $12,000 each year. So they could
> give you $24,000 now and another $6,000 in January. If you're married
> it's double. But them making gifts to you and then you making gifts
> back is a lot more trouble than it's worth.


If I go the loan amount, why is there a $12k limit/year? I would think
there is no limit so long as they are charging market value interest
rates?

Regarding the gifting, what more do we need than a signed piece of
paper saying the money was gifted and gifted back?

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Old 11-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Stuart Bronstein
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nonsense[at]mynonsense.net wrote:

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> What is the best way to receive a 4-month $30,000 loan from my
> parents. Could they each gift me $10k and then loan me the remaining
> the $10k at prevailing interest rates? Then I just gift them back the
> $20k and pay back the $10k loan with interest?
> Since my parents hold joint accounts on everything, how exactly would
> the IRS know which parent gave $10? Or is it $20k per couple?


Why not just do it as an actual loan? Your folks will be required to
charge interest. But legally that would be the cleanest.

If it's loans, each one can give you $12,000 each year. So they could
give you $24,000 now and another $6,000 in January. If you're married
it's double. But them making gifts to you and then you making gifts
back is a lot more trouble than it's worth.

Stu

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Old 11-03-2008, 08:30 PM
nonsense@mynonsense.net
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Default How to receive $30k loan from parents?

What is the best way to receive a 4-month $30,000 loan from my
parents. Could they each gift me $10k and then loan me the remaining
the $10k at prevailing interest rates? Then I just gift them back the
$20k and pay back the $10k loan with interest?

Since my parents hold joint accounts on everything, how exactly would
the IRS know which parent gave $10? Or is it $20k per couple?

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