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Old 11-03-2008, 06:53 PM
HW \Skip\ Weldon
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:57:18 EST, Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> There are some other goodies buried inside some 457 plans for
> governmental employees. I am almost sure that there is some
> additional catchup provision when you get within 3 years of
> retirement.


Public 457s have a great catchup. Providing the participant
qualifies, he/she can contribution an additional $15500 until they
have "caught up". That goes to $16000 in 09.



-HW "Skip" Weldon
Columbia, SC

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Old 11-02-2008, 06:57 PM
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Steve Pope wrote:
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> Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Steve Pope wrote:
> > > Is there any possibility to rollover normal distributions
> > > from a (non-governmental) deferred compensation plan
> > > into an IRA or other qualified plan?

> > No. You have a nonqualified plan. The only plans that can be
> > rolled over to an IRA are qualified plans (pension,
> > profit-sharing & stock bonus), annuity plans, 403(b) plans and
> > governmental 457 plans.

> Thanks, that is what I have assumed.
> So ... is their any logic behind governmental employees
> getting a break on this? (I realize tax laws are not
> based on logic.)
> Steve

It's not just state & local gov't. It also includes tax-exempts
other than churches.

Since the passage of EGTRRA 2001, governmental employees
certainly have more ability to shelter income from taxes and grow
savings tax-free. That act, dropped the combined contribution
limit of 457 plans with other defined contribution plans. Since
then, an eligible employer can offer a 401(k) or a 403(b) AND a
457 plan. The employee can contribute the maximum to both plans.
In 2009, that could be $33,000 plus another $11,000 in catchup
contributions if age 50. An employee with a private company in a
401(k) could only contribute half those amounts.

There are some other goodies buried inside some 457 plans for
governmental employees. I am almost sure that there is some
additional catchup provision when you get within 3 years of
retirement.

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Old 11-02-2008, 02:49 PM
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Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> Steve Pope wrote:

> > Is there any possibility to rollover normal distributions
> > from a (non-governmental) deferred compensation plan
> > into an IRA or other qualified plan?


> No. You have a nonqualified plan. The only plans that can be
> rolled over to an IRA are qualified plans (pension,
> profit-sharing & stock bonus), annuity plans, 403(b) plans and
> governmental 457 plans.


Thanks, that is what I have assumed.

So ... is their any logic behind governmental employees
getting a break on this? (I realize tax laws are not
based on logic.)

Steve

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Old 11-02-2008, 12:54 AM
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Steve Pope wrote:
- quote -

> Is there any possibility to rollover normal distributions
> from a (non-governmental) deferred compensation plan
> into an IRA or other qualified plan?


No. You have a nonqualified plan. The only plans that can be
rolled over to an IRA are qualified plans (pension,
profit-sharing & stock bonus), annuity plans, 403(b) plans and
governmental 457 plans.

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> In researching this, I see lots of references to doing
> this rollover when the plan is held at a federal, state, or
> municipal employer, but nothing on the case of private
> employer plans.
> I am not sure exactly what sort of deferred comp plan it
> is -- perhaps 409(a). (Tangential question, Section 457
> plans are limited to government employers, or is that
> not the case?)
> Thanks,
> Steve
> ========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
> It would help to know exactly what type of plan this is. Also what
> is the nature of the distribution?


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Old 11-01-2008, 10:44 PM
Steve Pope
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Default Rollover of deferred compensation

Is there any possibility to rollover normal distributions
from a (non-governmental) deferred compensation plan
into an IRA or other qualified plan?

In researching this, I see lots of references to doing
this rollover when the plan is held at a federal, state, or
municipal employer, but nothing on the case of private
employer plans.

I am not sure exactly what sort of deferred comp plan it
is -- perhaps 409(a). (Tangential question, Section 457
plans are limited to government employers, or is that
not the case?)

Thanks,

Steve

========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
It would help to know exactly what type of plan this is. Also what
is the nature of the distribution?

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