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Old 11-02-2008, 02:50 PM
Han
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Default Re: State tax on Roth conversion - NY or NJ?

Katie <katiej_1958[at]yahoo.com> wrote in
news:efdae632-ba6a-44fb-9b77-7178789d53b6[at]d10g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

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> On Nov 1, 6:14*am, Han <nob...[at]nospam.not> wrote:
> > I am finally close to completing my traditional to Roth IRA
> > conversion. *It is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and
> > misdirections Citi Smith Barney personnel have laid in my way.
> > > Since I originally started the account when I lived on Long Island,

> > the advising to this account is at an office in Garden City. *But 10
> > years ago I moved to NJ. *I am planning to pay taxes due to the Feds
> > and to NJ. *I hope that the location of the advisor in NY won't lead
> > me into trouble with Andy Cuomo, the NY AG, if I don't pay NY taxes
> > on this conversion.
> > > Does anyone see any problems with this?
> > > --

> > Best regards
> > Han
> > email address is invalid
> > > ========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:

> > The location of the broker doesn't impact you at all. You live,
> > work, pay taxes in NJ.
> > > Mark and Dick are right on this. There is a federal statute (4 USC

> Sec. 114) that prohibits states from taxing certain retirement income
> of nonresidents on a source basis. Income from tax-qualified
> retirement plans such as traditional IRAs, including lump-sum
> distributions, can be taxed only by the taxpayer's state of residence
> at the time of the distribution.
> Katie in San diego

Thanks, Katie, and Dick, Bill, and Mark as well!
Now I have to wait until Citi Smith Barney effect my instructions and
then sit down with my TaxAct to estimate the taxes due.

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Han
email address is invalid

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Old 11-02-2008, 03:20 AM
Katie
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Default Re: State tax on Roth conversion - NY or NJ?

On Nov 1, 6:14*am, Han <nob...[at]nospam.not> wrote:
- quote -

> I am finally close to completing my traditional to Roth IRA conversion. *It
> is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and misdirections Citi Smith Barney
> personnel have laid in my way.
> Since I originally started the account when I lived on Long Island, the
> advising to this account is at an office in Garden City. *But 10 years ago
> I moved to NJ. *I am planning to pay taxes due to the Feds and to NJ. *I
> hope that the location of the advisor in NY won't lead me into trouble with
> Andy Cuomo, the NY AG, if I don't pay NY taxes on this conversion.
> Does anyone see any problems with this?
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
> ========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
> The location of the broker doesn't impact you at all. You live,
> work, pay taxes in NJ.



Mark and Dick are right on this. There is a federal statute (4 USC
Sec. 114) that prohibits states from taxing certain retirement income
of nonresidents on a source basis. Income from tax-qualified
retirement plans such as traditional IRAs, including lump-sum
distributions, can be taxed only by the taxpayer's state of residence
at the time of the distribution.

Katie in San diego

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Old 11-01-2008, 04:46 PM
Han
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Default Re: State tax on Roth conversion - NY or NJ?

Mark Bole <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in
news:MYYOk.4903$as4.1312[at]nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:

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> Han wrote:
> > I am finally close to completing my traditional to Roth IRA
> > conversion. It is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and
> > misdirections Citi Smith Barney personnel have laid in my way.
> > > Since I originally started the account when I lived on Long Island,

> > the advising to this account is at an office in Garden City. But 10
> > years ago I moved to NJ. I am planning to pay taxes due to the Feds
> > and to NJ. I hope that the location of the advisor in NY won't lead
> > me into trouble with Andy Cuomo, the NY AG, if I don't pay NY taxes
> > on this conversion.
> > > Does anyone see any problems with this?

> I don't. While I'm not an expert on NY tax law, a distribution of
> deferred compensation, such as a Traditional IRA, is generally
> considered source income of the state where you are a resident at the
> time of distribution, and therefore only taxable by that state.
> Did New Jersey have different rules in past years that might affect
> the basis in your Trad. IRA at the state level, for example different
> maximum deductible amounts? If so, New Jersey might want you to
> re-state your basis as if you had been a resident all along, but again
> I'm not an expert in NJ tax law either.
> -Mark Bole

Thanks, Mark!

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Han
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Old 11-01-2008, 03:55 PM
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On Nov 1, 9:14*am, Han <nob...[at]nospam.not> wrote:
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> It
> is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and misdirections Citi Smith Barney
> personnel have laid in my way.


A long time ago I found comments like that "nigh unbelievable." Now I
find them all too easy to believe.

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Old 11-01-2008, 12:37 PM
Mark Bole
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Han wrote:
- quote -

> I am finally close to completing my traditional to Roth IRA conversion. It
> is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and misdirections Citi Smith Barney
> personnel have laid in my way.
> Since I originally started the account when I lived on Long Island, the
> advising to this account is at an office in Garden City. But 10 years ago
> I moved to NJ. I am planning to pay taxes due to the Feds and to NJ. I
> hope that the location of the advisor in NY won't lead me into trouble with
> Andy Cuomo, the NY AG, if I don't pay NY taxes on this conversion.
> Does anyone see any problems with this?


I don't. While I'm not an expert on NY tax law, a distribution of
deferred compensation, such as a Traditional IRA, is generally
considered source income of the state where you are a resident at the
time of distribution, and therefore only taxable by that state.

Did New Jersey have different rules in past years that might affect the
basis in your Trad. IRA at the state level, for example different
maximum deductible amounts? If so, New Jersey might want you to
re-state your basis as if you had been a resident all along, but again
I'm not an expert in NJ tax law either.

-Mark Bole

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Old 11-01-2008, 12:14 PM
Han
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Default State tax on Roth conversion - NY or NJ?

I am finally close to completing my traditional to Roth IRA conversion. It
is nigh unbelievable how many mistakes and misdirections Citi Smith Barney
personnel have laid in my way.

Since I originally started the account when I lived on Long Island, the
advising to this account is at an office in Garden City. But 10 years ago
I moved to NJ. I am planning to pay taxes due to the Feds and to NJ. I
hope that the location of the advisor in NY won't lead me into trouble with
Andy Cuomo, the NY AG, if I don't pay NY taxes on this conversion.

Does anyone see any problems with this?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

========================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
The location of the broker doesn't impact you at all. You live,
work, pay taxes in NJ.

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