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| In article <gdii7u$tis$1[at]registered.motzarella.org> , joetaxpayer <joetaxpayer[at]nospam.com> wrote: - quote - > Seth wrote:
Yes. The Instructions for Schedule D indicate that the sort of> > Your cost for the shares purchased was the strike less the premium > > received for the short put. > > > Your proceeds for the shares sold was the strike less the premium paid > > for the long put. > > > The fact that there was a bear spread is irrelevant. Each leg is > > taxed on its own. > Seth - I want to be sure I understand clearly. I'd expect this to appear > on schedule D as one transaction, a sell/buy, as it was a bear spread, > but still one transaction. When you say 'each leg taxed on its own' are > you suggesting this look like two separate transactions on the form? instruments the IRS expects on each line is one option or one stock, not "bear spread Stock Date 2 strikes". Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <m363nn9sh4.fsf[at]swing-shift.time-tripper.com> , Rich Carreiro <rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com> wrote: - quote - > sethb[at]panix.com (Seth) writes:
I believe the treatment for an exercised option folds it into the> > In article <m3abcz9w29.fsf[at]swing-shift.time-tripper.com> , > > Rich Carreiro <rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com> wrote: > > > My question is how do I report this? I know what I paid for the long > > > put and what I received for the short put. But rather than being > > > closed out, they were exercised and went "poof". Do I report the > > > options at all, or just bundle the net premium paid to put on the > > > spread into the stock purchase/sale? If I do report the options, how > > > do I show it on Sched D? > > > Your cost for the shares purchased was the strike less the premium > > received for the short put. > > > Your proceeds for the shares sold was the strike less the premium paid > > for the long put. > > > The fact that there was a bear spread is irrelevant. Each leg is > > taxed on its own. > So I only show the stock sale (using the adjusted basis/proceeds) > and don't show the options at all? stock; consider an exercised call, on which you hold the stock for years. There's no taxable event when the call is exercised, your basis for the stock is the cost of the call plus the cost of exercise. So yes, the options are folded into the stock transactions. Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Seth wrote: - quote - > Your cost for the shares purchased was the strike less the premium
Seth - I want to be sure I understand clearly. I'd expect this to appear> received for the short put. > Your proceeds for the shares sold was the strike less the premium paid > for the long put. > The fact that there was a bear spread is irrelevant. Each leg is > taxed on its own. on schedule D as one transaction, a sell/buy, as it was a bear spread, but still one transaction. When you say 'each leg taxed on its own' are you suggesting this look like two separate transactions on the form? Joe -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| sethb[at]panix.com (Seth) writes: - quote - > In article <m3abcz9w29.fsf[at]swing-shift.time-tripper.com> ,
So I only show the stock sale (using the adjusted basis/proceeds)> Rich Carreiro <rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com> wrote: > > My question is how do I report this? I know what I paid for the long > > put and what I received for the short put. But rather than being > > closed out, they were exercised and went "poof". Do I report the > > options at all, or just bundle the net premium paid to put on the > > spread into the stock purchase/sale? If I do report the options, how > > do I show it on Sched D? > Your cost for the shares purchased was the strike less the premium > received for the short put. > Your proceeds for the shares sold was the strike less the premium paid > for the long put. > The fact that there was a bear spread is irrelevant. Each leg is > taxed on its own. and don't show the options at all? -- Rich Carreiro rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <m3abcz9w29.fsf[at]swing-shift.time-tripper.com> , Rich Carreiro <rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com> wrote: - quote - > I put a bear put spread on SPY (not a typo -- the ETF, not the index)
Your cost for the shares purchased was the strike less the premium> at the end of September using October puts. The strikes were at 110 > and 105. As we came into expiration week, I tried to unwind the spread > but the bid/ask on the component options were such that I couldn't > sell it for the net $5 it was obviously going to be worth. > October 18 came and I (obviously) got an assignment on the short put > at $105, and the long put at $110 was auto-exercised, so my brokerage > account shows a purchase of however many shares of SPY at $105 and a > sale of the same number of shares of SPY at $110. > My question is how do I report this? I know what I paid for the long > put and what I received for the short put. But rather than being > closed out, they were exercised and went "poof". Do I report the > options at all, or just bundle the net premium paid to put on the > spread into the stock purchase/sale? If I do report the options, how > do I show it on Sched D? received for the short put. Your proceeds for the shares sold was the strike less the premium paid for the long put. The fact that there was a bear spread is irrelevant. Each leg is taxed on its own. Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I put a bear put spread on SPY (not a typo -- the ETF, not the index) at the end of September using October puts. The strikes were at 110 and 105. As we came into expiration week, I tried to unwind the spread but the bid/ask on the component options were such that I couldn't sell it for the net $5 it was obviously going to be worth. October 18 came and I (obviously) got an assignment on the short put at $105, and the long put at $110 was auto-exercised, so my brokerage account shows a purchase of however many shares of SPY at $105 and a sale of the same number of shares of SPY at $110. My question is how do I report this? I know what I paid for the long put and what I received for the short put. But rather than being closed out, they were exercised and went "poof". Do I report the options at all, or just bundle the net premium paid to put on the spread into the stock purchase/sale? If I do report the options, how do I show it on Sched D? -- Rich Carreiro rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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