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| Arthur Kamlet wrote: - quote - > In article <yS5Jk.4256$yr3.3931[at]nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com> ,
was alluding to in his post) when he mentioned the 10/15/08 date.> Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > Gil Faver wrote: > > [snip] > > > Isn't the record keeping for having both deductible and nondeductible IRA > > > contributions in a traditional IRA a real PITA? Maybe makes more sense to > > > back out the nondeductible contribution. > > > > If you are not past the due date of the return, you could also > > recharacterize the nondeductible contribution to a Roth IRA. > The due day plus extensions? Yes.. this falls under Treas. Reg. 301.9100-2 (this is what Phil That Reg. spells out the procedure to be used by a taxpayer who is making an election and wants to use the extra six months. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <yS5Jk.4256$yr3.3931[at]nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com> , Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Gil Faver wrote: > [snip] > > > Isn't the record keeping for having both deductible and nondeductible IRA > > contributions in a traditional IRA a real PITA? Maybe makes more sense to > > back out the nondeductible contribution. > > If you are not past the due date of the return, you could also > recharacterize the nondeductible contribution to a Roth IRA. The due day plus extensions? -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Gil Faver wrote: [snip] - quote - > Isn't the record keeping for having both deductible and nondeductible IRA
recharacterize the nondeductible contribution to a Roth IRA.> contributions in a traditional IRA a real PITA? Maybe makes more sense to > back out the nondeductible contribution. If you are not past the due date of the return, you could also -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <Eg3Jk.70020$Mh5.67653[at]bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> , Gil Faver <rowdy'sboss[at]xxyz.com> wrote: - quote - > "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote in message
Depends on your threshold for annoyance.> news:gd2etc$1jt$1[at]reader1.panix.com... > > In article <NHWIk.879$r_3.226[at]nwrddc02.gnilink.net> , > > Phil Marti <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote: > > > "Dick Adams" wrote: > > > > > > Taxpayer who is covered by an employer pension plan > > > > (I believe it is either a 403B or a 401K) made > > > > deposits in an IRA for 2007 and 2008. I believe > > > > the 2008 deposit can be corrected by selling the > > > > stock and reporting the gain or loss. But can > > > > the 2007 deposit be corrected or does the taxpayer > > > > have to wait until the distribution age to sell it > > > > without paying an early distribution penalty. > > > > > I'm confused by your choice of subject lines. Why were these > > > contributions > > > incorrect and in need of fixing? Being covered by an employer plan > > > doesn't > > > disqualify one from making IRA contributions. It may mean that a > > > traditional IRA contribution isn't deductible, depending on AGI. > > > > > Anyway, it's not too late to "undo" a 2007 contribution. That can be done > > > through 10/15/2008 regardless of whether or not the taxpayer got an > > > extension to file. Before doing so though, make sure that's a wise course > > > of action. If positive earnings are distributed (not likely) the 10% > > > penalty applies to the earnings. > > > > > Details are in Pub 590. > > > > Phil is right. A nondeductible IRA contribution is not limited by > > AGI or even filing status. And it can be a nondeductible contribution, > > and the form 8606 can be filed now if not already filed. > > > If it was deducted, amend the 2007 to remove the improper deduction. > Isn't the record keeping for having both deductible and nondeductible IRA > contributions in a traditional IRA a real PITA? Maybe makes more sense to > back out the nondeductible contribution. Having any nondeductible Traditional IRA contributions means using and saving the last 8606. Speaking for myself, after I've worked this for the first few hundred 8606s, it becomes pretty routine and simple. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote in message news:gd2etc$1jt$1[at]reader1.panix.com... - quote - > In article <NHWIk.879$r_3.226[at]nwrddc02.gnilink.net> , > Phil Marti <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote: > > "Dick Adams" wrote: > > > > Taxpayer who is covered by an employer pension plan > > > (I believe it is either a 403B or a 401K) made > > > deposits in an IRA for 2007 and 2008. I believe > > > the 2008 deposit can be corrected by selling the > > > stock and reporting the gain or loss. But can > > > the 2007 deposit be corrected or does the taxpayer > > > have to wait until the distribution age to sell it > > > without paying an early distribution penalty. > > > I'm confused by your choice of subject lines. Why were these > > contributions > > incorrect and in need of fixing? Being covered by an employer plan > > doesn't > > disqualify one from making IRA contributions. It may mean that a > > traditional IRA contribution isn't deductible, depending on AGI. > > > Anyway, it's not too late to "undo" a 2007 contribution. That can be done > > through 10/15/2008 regardless of whether or not the taxpayer got an > > extension to file. Before doing so though, make sure that's a wise course > > of action. If positive earnings are distributed (not likely) the 10% > > penalty applies to the earnings. > > > Details are in Pub 590. > Phil is right. A nondeductible IRA contribution is not limited by > AGI or even filing status. And it can be a nondeductible contribution, > and the form 8606 can be filed now if not already filed. > If it was deducted, amend the 2007 to remove the improper deduction. Isn't the record keeping for having both deductible and nondeductible IRA contributions in a traditional IRA a real PITA? Maybe makes more sense to back out the nondeductible contribution. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <NHWIk.879$r_3.226[at]nwrddc02.gnilink.net> , Phil Marti <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote: - quote - > "Dick Adams" wrote: > > Taxpayer who is covered by an employer pension plan > > (I believe it is either a 403B or a 401K) made > > deposits in an IRA for 2007 and 2008. I believe > > the 2008 deposit can be corrected by selling the > > stock and reporting the gain or loss. But can > > the 2007 deposit be corrected or does the taxpayer > > have to wait until the distribution age to sell it > > without paying an early distribution penalty. > I'm confused by your choice of subject lines. Why were these contributions > incorrect and in need of fixing? Being covered by an employer plan doesn't > disqualify one from making IRA contributions. It may mean that a > traditional IRA contribution isn't deductible, depending on AGI. > Anyway, it's not too late to "undo" a 2007 contribution. That can be done > through 10/15/2008 regardless of whether or not the taxpayer got an > extension to file. Before doing so though, make sure that's a wise course > of action. If positive earnings are distributed (not likely) the 10% > penalty applies to the earnings. > Details are in Pub 590. Phil is right. A nondeductible IRA contribution is not limited by AGI or even filing status. And it can be a nondeductible contribution, and the form 8606 can be filed now if not already filed. If it was deducted, amend the 2007 to remove the improper deduction. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Dick Adams" wrote: - quote - > Taxpayer who is covered by an employer pension plan
I'm confused by your choice of subject lines. Why were these contributions> (I believe it is either a 403B or a 401K) made > deposits in an IRA for 2007 and 2008. I believe > the 2008 deposit can be corrected by selling the > stock and reporting the gain or loss. But can > the 2007 deposit be corrected or does the taxpayer > have to wait until the distribution age to sell it > without paying an early distribution penalty. incorrect and in need of fixing? Being covered by an employer plan doesn't disqualify one from making IRA contributions. It may mean that a traditional IRA contribution isn't deductible, depending on AGI. Anyway, it's not too late to "undo" a 2007 contribution. That can be done through 10/15/2008 regardless of whether or not the taxpayer got an extension to file. Before doing so though, make sure that's a wise course of action. If positive earnings are distributed (not likely) the 10% penalty applies to the earnings. Details are in Pub 590. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Taxpayer who is covered by an employer pension plan (I believe it is either a 403B or a 401K) made deposits in an IRA for 2007 and 2008. I believe the 2008 deposit can be corrected by selling the stock and reporting the gain or loss. But can the 2007 deposit be corrected or does the taxpayer have to wait until the distribution age to sell it without paying an early distribution penalty. My cousin who thinks I know taxation asked me this. I told her I'd get back to her in a few days. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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