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| Bill Brown wrote: - quote - > On Oct 31, 11:39 am, Harlan Lunsford <hlunsf...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
that fingers get ahead of the brain at times when suffering from jet lag.> > By the > > time of that flight, however, I already had my quota of good Scotch whiskey! > > If it's Scotch then it's whisky, not whiskey. ![]() that was pointed out to me privately, and of COURSE I knew that. Just ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Katie wrote: - quote - > On Oct 31, 8:39 am, Harlan Lunsford <hlunsf...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
Scotch whisky to a foreign country and cart it about before returning?> > Katie wrote: > > > > Well, I think it would be kind of nice if the duty-free shops IN THE > > > US were to post a sign or something warning customers that purchases > > > brought back into the US could be subject to use tax in the customer's > > > home state. But you're right, it's not their job, and I didn't mean > > > to imply that it was. > > Only citizens of countries other than the USA may make purchases in duty > > free shops in the USA. When I return from abroad, like last Saturday > > night, there was no way I could have accessed those shops. But any "duty > > free" purchases on the Delta flight back from Athens would, like all > > other foreign purchases, be subject to use tax here at home. By the > > time of that flight, however, I already had my quota of good Scotch whiskey! > > > ChEAr$, > > Harlan > > Harlan, you can buy from the DF shops in US airports on the way OUT of > the US. You're right, though, on the way back in you have to use the > shop in the foreign airport or on the plane. http://www.dutyfreeamericas.com/duty_free.cfm > Katie ah, quite right about when leaving. But who would want to lug all that Unless of course it gets drunk along the way. Hmmmmm.... Ah, yes! And to think I packed me own bottle in my suitcase this last time to have it on board ship. I'll try to remember that for next year's cruise. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Oct 31, 11:39*am, Harlan Lunsford <hlunsf...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > *By the
If it's Scotch then it's whisky, not whiskey. > time of that flight, however, I already had my quota of good Scotch whiskey! ![]() -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Oct 31, 8:39*am, Harlan Lunsford <hlunsf...[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > Katie wrote: > > Well, I think it would be kind of nice if the duty-free shops IN THE > > US were to post a sign or something warning customers that purchases > > brought back into the US could be subject to use tax in the customer's > > home state. *But you're right, it's not their job, and I didn't mean > > to imply that it was. > Only citizens of countries other than the USA may make purchases in duty > free shops in the USA. *When I return from abroad, like last Saturday > night, there was no way I could have accessed those shops. But any "duty > free" purchases on the Delta flight back from Athens would, like all > other foreign purchases, be subject to use tax here at home. *By the > time of that flight, however, I already had my quota of good Scotch whiskey! > ChEAr$, > Harlan Harlan, you can buy from the DF shops in US airports on the way OUT of the US. You're right, though, on the way back in you have to use the shop in the foreign airport or on the plane. http://www.dutyfreeamericas.com/duty_free.cfm Katie -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <VyFOk.56298$Ep1.24983[at]bignews2.bellsouth.net> , Harlan Lunsford <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > Only citizens of countries other than the USA may make purchases in duty
Not that I've noticed (but I can only make purchases when leaving).> free shops in the USA. Seth -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Katie wrote: - quote - > Well, I think it would be kind of nice if the duty-free shops IN THE
Only citizens of countries other than the USA may make purchases in duty> US were to post a sign or something warning customers that purchases > brought back into the US could be subject to use tax in the customer's > home state. But you're right, it's not their job, and I didn't mean > to imply that it was. free shops in the USA. When I return from abroad, like last Saturday night, there was no way I could have accessed those shops. But any "duty free" purchases on the Delta flight back from Athens would, like all other foreign purchases, be subject to use tax here at home. By the time of that flight, however, I already had my quota of good Scotch whiskey! ChEAr$, Harlan -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Oct 30, 4:49*am, "parrisbraes...[at]yahoo.ca" <parrisbraes...[at]yahoo.ca> wrote: - quote - > On Oct 29, 3:35*pm, Katie <katiej_1...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: > > Purchases at duty-free shops are presumed to be purchased for use in a > > foreign country -- since in order to buy duty and tax free, you must > > be leaving the US, generally for at least 48 hours. *If you bring your > > purchases back to your home state on your return to the US for use > > there, you're generally subject to the use tax, since you didn't pay > > sales tax on the original purchase. > > The duty-free stores generally won't tell you that. > In this case, the foreign country would be the USA as the purchases > were being made on return to the USA. As for the duty-free stores not > informing you, they are not in the business of providing legal advice > - they are selling a product. 'sides, they can not be expected to know > the rules for every country. Well, I think it would be kind of nice if the duty-free shops IN THE US were to post a sign or something warning customers that purchases brought back into the US could be subject to use tax in the customer's home state. But you're right, it's not their job, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. Katie -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Oct 29, 3:35*pm, Katie <katiej_1...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > Purchases at duty-free shops are presumed to be purchased for use in a
In this case, the foreign country would be the USA as the purchases> foreign country -- since in order to buy duty and tax free, you must > be leaving the US, generally for at least 48 hours. *If you bring your > purchases back to your home state on your return to the US for use > there, you're generally subject to the use tax, since you didn't pay > sales tax on the original purchase. > The duty-free stores generally won't tell you that. were being made on return to the USA. As for the duty-free stores not informing you, they are not in the business of providing legal advice - they are selling a product. 'sides, they can not be expected to know the rules for every country. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Oct 26, 8:36*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: - quote - > Don Priebe <pri...[at]iname.com> wrote: > > > And welcome home, World Traveller. *I'll bet ouzo doesn't > > > compare to scotch. > > It's a toss up as long as you drink both of them straight. > > [Required tax content] and pay the use tax on them when you > > bring them home. > It never occurred to me that purchases made at a duty-free > store were subject to use tax. Purchases at duty-free shops are presumed to be purchased for use in a foreign country -- since in order to buy duty and tax free, you must be leaving the US, generally for at least 48 hours. If you bring your purchases back to your home state on your return to the US for use there, you're generally subject to the use tax, since you didn't pay sales tax on the original purchase. The duty-free stores generally won't tell you that. Katie -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Don Priebe <priebe[at]iname.com> wrote: - quote - > Dick Adams <rdadams[at]panix.com> Wrote:
American Indians deserve our support - afterall they have> > It never occurred to me that purchases made > > at a duty-free store were subject to use tax. > Don't know about your state, but NY wants its cut. > You bought it without paying sales tax and brought > it into the state. > (Unless of course you're talking about cigarettes > from the reservation smoke shop. We don't try > very hard to collect those taxes. > <nudge> <nudge> <wink> <wink> ) > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/nyregion/02smoke.html been fighting terrorism and illegal immigration since 1492. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > It never occurred to me that purchases made at a duty-free
Don't know about your state, but NY wants its cut. You bought it without> store were subject to use tax. paying sales tax and brought it into the state. (Unless of course you're talking about cigarettes from the reservation smoke shop. We don't try very hard to collect those taxes. <nudge> <nudge> <wink> <wink> ) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/nyregion/02smoke.html -- Don EA in Upstate NY -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Don Priebe <priebe[at]iname.com> wrote: - quote - > > And welcome home, World Traveller. I'll bet ouzo doesn't
It never occurred to me that purchases made at a duty-free> > compare to scotch. > It's a toss up as long as you drink both of them straight. > [Required tax content] and pay the use tax on them when you > bring them home. store were subject to use tax. Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > And welcome home, World Traveller. I'll bet ouzo doesn't compare
It's a toss up as long as you drink both of them straight.> to scotch. [Required tax content] and pay the use tax on them when you bring them home. -- Don in Upstate NY -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <7C5Nk.53355$rD2.35532[at]bignews4.bellsouth.net> , hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net (Harlan Lunsford) writes: | Dan Lanciani wrote: | > In article <izSIk.5365$YU2.964[at]nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> , makbo[at]pacbell.net (Mark Bole) writes: | > | Bill wrote: | > | > jack[at]yahoo.org (jack) posted: | > | | > | > > > The specific answer to your last question, "if | > | > > > you used a professional who filed paper ..." | > | | > | [...] | > | | > | > > So, if you used a professional who filed paper, | > | > > you DO NOT get an estimated form from the | > | > > IRS. | > | | > | I still don't see where use of a paid preparer (one who has to sign the | > | return) is of any relevance. It's paper vs. e-filing, AFAIK. | | > I've never e-filed or used a preparer and they still stopped sending | > me estimated tax forms... | | But you did use tax softare, right? No, just my Uniball pen and a non-programmable TI calculator from the 70's. Dan Lanciani ddl[at]danlan.*com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <nB5Nk.53354$rD2.22989[at]bignews4.bellsouth.net> , Harlan Lunsford <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote: - quote - > Ain't that the truth! (as I return from vacation and reluctantly update > my retirement accounts' spreadsheet.) And welcome home, World Traveller. I'll bet ouzo doesn't compare to scotch. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Dan Lanciani wrote: - quote - > In article <izSIk.5365$YU2.964[at]nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> , makbo[at]pacbell.net (Mark Bole) writes:
But you did use tax softare, right?> | Bill wrote: > | > jack[at]yahoo.org (jack) posted: > | > | > > > The specific answer to your last question, "if > | > > > you used a professional who filed paper ..." > | > | [...] > | > | > > So, if you used a professional who filed paper, > | > > you DO NOT get an estimated form from the > | > > IRS. > | > | I still don't see where use of a paid preparer (one who has to sign the > | return) is of any relevance. It's paper vs. e-filing, AFAIK. > I've never e-filed or used a preparer and they still stopped sending > me estimated tax forms... ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Mark Bole wrote: - quote - > > And incidentally, once the TP goes back to filing their own return, they
Unless you use tax software to do it. In my own case I naturally use my> > will start receiving forms again. (And my source for that is my own > > experience. office software to prepare my own return and I, too, was deleted from the 1040es mailings. So that is how I surmised is wasn't dependent on using a paid preparer, or even a volunteer preparer e.g. AARP, but instead tax software. I suppose if I download blank 1040ES forms and resume hand printing same for my quarterly payments, I might regain the status of being on their mailing list. Anyway, for clients who noticed this last year, I calmly explained to them that the reason they didn't receive printed vouchers was that IRS had placed them in the "FOH" status. Huh? FOH? Sure, I explained; Friend of Harlan. - quote - > The past is no guarantee of the future.
Ain't that the truth! (as I return from vacation and reluctantly updatemy retirement accounts' spreadsheet.) ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Bill wrote: - quote - > paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net (Paul Thomas, CPA) posted: > > "Bill" <an_ordinary_guy_158[at]hotmail.com> > wrote > > > (In a sense, it can be seen as professional > > > courtesy: i.e., the IRS doesn't want to seem > > > to be "poaching" by suggesting you could > > > have a direct relationship with them, since > > > you have already demonstrated you have a > > > business arrangement with someone else -- > > > and especially since that someone is > > > generally acting as an _agent_ in support of > > > the IRS.) > > Wait a minute. I surely don't consider myself > > "an _agent_ in support of the IRS". > > I am an advocate for my client, within the > > boundaries of the law. My client pays me, not > > the IRS. My client expects me to do what's > > right by them, meaning that they expect me to > > keep their tax bill as low as possible given the > > law and the information they provide to me. > Indeed, I agree as to your function and your allegiance. But (and maybe > I should have added this) _in the mind of the IRS_, you are "generally" > acting as an _agent_, since you assist taxpayers in complying with > filing requirements. > FWIW, I'm a volunteer preparer with TaxAide, and I certainly feel my > commitment is to assist the folks who come to me for help, but I also > know the IRS considers all TaxAide people as "instruments of their > purpose" to ensure full and faithful compliance with their regulations. > I know that, because IRS instructors have stated as much. That's why > they support us with training and materials. > Bill Okay, I think you saved the day, Bill. But we Enrolled Agents, EA's, want to make darn sure the public knows the difference, as I'm sure you do. So for any laymen reading this, there are "agents", and then there are "Enrolled Agents" (EA's). Any one can be an agent for another, whether serving under a power of attorney or in other cases. In this respect, volunteers for AARP, TaxAide, etc etc serve as "agents" of the IRS to insure compliance. As an EA however, I am ONLY an agent of the taxpayer/client and licensed as such by the IRS with conduct governed by the U S Treasury under certain regulations known as Circular 230. Hope this helps to keep things straight. Actually we EA's have been batting this gamecock around for years now, arguing time to time for other possible designations that would make sure the public doesn't somehow mistake us for "agents" OF the IRS. But no one can come up with a generally accepted agent position (GAAP!) or definition. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA But an Enrolled Agent -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Mark Bole <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in news:izSIk.5365$YU2.964[at]nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com: - quote - > And incidentally, the major commercial players for individual tax
I won't send my return through a third party, but maybe that is not> prep have all decided to no longer charge extra e-filing fees. If > you use software for your return prep, whether self-prepared or by a > volunteer or a paid preparer, the last major excuse for not e-filing > has now been eliminated. considered a "major excuse". scott s. ... -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <izSIk.5365$YU2.964[at]nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> , makbo[at]pacbell.net (Mark Bole) writes: | Bill wrote: | > jack[at]yahoo.org (jack) posted: | | > > > The specific answer to your last question, "if | > > > you used a professional who filed paper ..." | | [...] | | > > So, if you used a professional who filed paper, | > > you DO NOT get an estimated form from the | > > IRS. | | I still don't see where use of a paid preparer (one who has to sign the | return) is of any relevance. It's paper vs. e-filing, AFAIK. I've never e-filed or used a preparer and they still stopped sending me estimated tax forms... Dan Lanciani ddl[at]danlan.*com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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