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Old 10-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Seth" <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote
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> That would seem to agree with my position: there's no
> requirement that spouses or children be permitted,
> but rather a statement that the IRS won't disqualify
> a deduction if they are.






You read correctly.


What you have to do though, is make sure that the rule the company puts in
place is the same for every employee. So the owner's wife or kid can't be
pumping iron while the janitor's wife is locked out.




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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 10-05-2008, 03:34 AM
Seth
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In article <gc97la$5bi$1[at]reader1.panix.com> ,
Arthur Kamlet <-To[at]panix.com> wrote:
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> In article <gc95jd$1ev$1[at]reader1.panix.com> , Seth <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <hsbFk.41904$kh2.40650[at]bignews3.bellsouth.net> ,
> > Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > The value of using the fitness center is not income to the employee because
> > > it's a tax-free fringe benefit if certain conditions are met. Namely all
> > > employees, their spouses and children must be allowed to use the facility,
> > > and the general public can not.
> > > Is it really a requirement that spouses and children be permitted to

> > use the facility?
> > > > Other restrictions are in place. See Regulation 1.132-1(e).
> > > That seems to imply that use by spouses and children is not prohibited

> > by the IRS.

> Page 7 of IRS Pub 15b, says:
> Athletic Facilities
> You can exclude the value of an employees use of an
> on-premises gym or other athletic facility you operate from
> an employees wages if substantially all use of the facility
> during the calendar year is by your employees, their
> spouses, and their dependent children. For this purpose,
> an employees dependent child is a child or stepchild who
> is the employees dependent or who, if both parents are
> deceased, has not attained the age of 25.


That would seem to agree with my position: there's no requirement that
spouses or children be permitted, but rather a statement that the IRS
won't disqualify a deduction if they are.

Seth

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Old 10-05-2008, 02:09 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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In article <gc95jd$1ev$1[at]reader1.panix.com> , Seth <sethb[at]panix.com> wrote:
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> In article <hsbFk.41904$kh2.40650[at]bignews3.bellsouth.net> ,
> Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > The value of using the fitness center is not income to the employee because
> > it's a tax-free fringe benefit if certain conditions are met. Namely all
> > employees, their spouses and children must be allowed to use the facility,
> > and the general public can not.

> Is it really a requirement that spouses and children be permitted to
> use the facility?
> > Other restrictions are in place. See Regulation 1.132-1(e).

> That seems to imply that use by spouses and children is not prohibited
> by the IRS.



Page 7 of IRS Pub 15b, says:

Athletic Facilities

You can exclude the value of an employees use of an
on-premises gym or other athletic facility you operate from
an employees wages if substantially all use of the facility
during the calendar year is by your employees, their
spouses, and their dependent children. For this purpose,
an employees dependent child is a child or stepchild who
is the employees dependent or who, if both parents are
deceased, has not attained the age of 25.
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ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 10-05-2008, 01:34 AM
Seth
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In article <hsbFk.41904$kh2.40650[at]bignews3.bellsouth.net> ,
Paul Thomas, CPA <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:

- quote -

> The value of using the fitness center is not income to the employee because
> it's a tax-free fringe benefit if certain conditions are met. Namely all
> employees, their spouses and children must be allowed to use the facility,
> and the general public can not.


Is it really a requirement that spouses and children be permitted to
use the facility?

- quote -

> Other restrictions are in place. See Regulation 1.132-1(e).

That seems to imply that use by spouses and children is not prohibited
by the IRS.

Seth

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Old 10-03-2008, 03:39 AM
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On Oct 2, 2:59 pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.netwrote:

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> "Chris Ruehrwein" <crueh...[at]mathworks.com> wrote

> > Can a public/private company get a tax credit for
> > suppling a fitness center at the workplace?


There might be tax credits from the city, though I doubt it, so better
check there as well.


- quote -

> No tax credits per se. The costs of operating them are deductible by the
> business of course.
> The value of using the fitness center is not income to the employee because
> it's a tax-free fringe benefit if certain conditions are met. Namely all
> employees, their spouses and children must be allowed to use the facility,
> and the general public can not. Other restrictions are in place. See
> Regulation 1.132-1(e).


At my company, the spouse can use the gym, but they have to pay an
additional fee. It's free for employees.

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Old 10-02-2008, 09:59 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"Chris Ruehrwein" <cruehrwe[at]mathworks.com> wrote
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> Can a public/private company get a tax credit for
> suppling a fitness center at the workplace?





No tax credits per se. The costs of operating them are deductible by the
business of course.

The value of using the fitness center is not income to the employee because
it's a tax-free fringe benefit if certain conditions are met. Namely all
employees, their spouses and children must be allowed to use the facility,
and the general public can not. Other restrictions are in place. See
Regulation 1.132-1(e).

If you're talking serious bucks here, and not a bow-flex for the corner of
the break room, talk to your corporate accountant about this, who gets to
use it, when, and how the expenses are deducted (equipment would be
depreciated).





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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 10-02-2008, 08:35 PM
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Can a public/private company get a tax credit for suppling a fitness center
at the workplace?

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