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Old 10-01-2008, 03:08 PM
Seth
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In article <XaDEk.1137$Dk4.607[at]nwrddc02.gnilink.net> ,
Phil Marti <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote:

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> I wouldn't wast time pursuing an amended 1099-R. What foundation would the
> custodian have for issuing one? Which raises the question, what foundation
> did they have for the $25,000 number? It may or may not help, but I'm
> curious about missing pieces of the story. You say that she's contributed
> $12,000 to the Roth. So how did the Roth come up with $25,000 to buy the
> stock?


Maybe she bought something with the $12,000 that increased in value,
and she sold it for $25,000.

Seth

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Old 10-01-2008, 03:02 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Phil Marti wrote:
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> <bm30003700[at]aol.com> wrote:
> > My client received a distribution of stock from the former custodian
> > of her Roth IRA when her account with that custodian was closed, and
> > continues to hold the stock.
> > > My client paid $2.50 for 10,000 shares of the stock. The shares were

> > never publicly traded. At the time the
> > former custodian distributed the shares, my client says they were
> > worth $.23 to $.24 per share, and has an
> > from a broker (not the custodian) that values them at that price.
> > > The custodian issued a 1099R for $25,000 for the distribution. Her

> > Roth IRA basis is about $12,000, so some of the distribution will be
> > taxable if the $25,000 is reported on the 2007 1040.

> Assuming that the distribution is nonqualified, the issue is the amount of
> the distribution, not the amount on the 1099-R. You can put any amount you
> like in box 15a of the 1040 as long as you're prepared to prove it up to the
> IRS when questioned. There must be guidelines for establishing the value of
> untraded stock somewhere.
> I wouldn't wast time pursuing an amended 1099-R. What foundation would the
> custodian have for issuing one? Which raises the question, what foundation
> did they have for the $25,000 number? It may or may not help, but I'm
> curious about missing pieces of the story. You say that she's contributed
> $12,000 to the Roth. So how did the Roth come up with $25,000 to buy the
> stock?


I agree. there's something BAD wrong with this scenario. "prohibited
transactions" comes to mind

OP should consult a local tax pro in his area for help.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
"Bud man, and Cub's fan!"

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Old 10-01-2008, 04:40 AM
Phil Marti
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<bm30003700[at]aol.com> wrote:

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> My client received a distribution of stock from the former custodian
> of her Roth IRA when her account with that custodian was closed, and
> continues to hold the stock.
> My client paid $2.50 for 10,000 shares of the stock. The shares were
> never publicly traded. At the time the
> former custodian distributed the shares, my client says they were
> worth $.23 to $.24 per share, and has an
> from a broker (not the custodian) that values them at that price.
> The custodian issued a 1099R for $25,000 for the distribution. Her
> Roth IRA basis is about $12,000, so some of the distribution will be
> taxable if the $25,000 is reported on the 2007 1040.


Assuming that the distribution is nonqualified, the issue is the amount of
the distribution, not the amount on the 1099-R. You can put any amount you
like in box 15a of the 1040 as long as you're prepared to prove it up to the
IRS when questioned. There must be guidelines for establishing the value of
untraded stock somewhere.

I wouldn't wast time pursuing an amended 1099-R. What foundation would the
custodian have for issuing one? Which raises the question, what foundation
did they have for the $25,000 number? It may or may not help, but I'm
curious about missing pieces of the story. You say that she's contributed
$12,000 to the Roth. So how did the Roth come up with $25,000 to buy the
stock?
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Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD

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Old 10-01-2008, 01:29 AM
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<bm30003700[at]aol.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> My client received a distribution of stock from the former custodian
> of her Roth IRA when her account with that custodian was closed, and
> continues to hold the stock.
> My client paid $2.50 for 10,000 shares of the stock. The shares were
> never publicly traded. At the time the
> former custodian distributed the shares, my client says they were
> worth $.23 to $.24 per share, and has an
> from a broker (not the custodian) that values them at that price.
> The custodian issued a 1099R for $25,000 for the distribution. Her
> Roth IRA basis is about $12,000, so some of the distribution will be
> taxable if the $25,000 is reported on the 2007 1040. Is a corrected
> 1099R warranted? If
> so, what to do if the client can't get the amended 1099R by October
> 15?


If this is a ROTH IRA, why is any of it taxable? Was the account NOT open
for 5+ years?

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Old 10-01-2008, 01:00 AM
bm30003700@aol.com
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Default Roth IRA Distribution and 1099R problem

My client received a distribution of stock from the former custodian
of her Roth IRA when her account with that custodian was closed, and
continues to hold the stock.

My client paid $2.50 for 10,000 shares of the stock. The shares were
never publicly traded. At the time the
former custodian distributed the shares, my client says they were
worth $.23 to $.24 per share, and has an
from a broker (not the custodian) that values them at that price.

The custodian issued a 1099R for $25,000 for the distribution. Her
Roth IRA basis is about $12,000, so some of the distribution will be
taxable if the $25,000 is reported on the 2007 1040. Is a corrected
1099R warranted? If
so, what to do if the client can't get the amended 1099R by October
15?

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