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Old 09-16-2008, 09:50 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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123go wrote:
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> "Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:48CF1E75.7030409[at]bellsouth.net...
> > Mark Bole wrote:
> > > removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > > > have this in France).
> > > They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in
> > > France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> > > of providing toilets or toilet-related services.
> > > > Right; most definitely a personal expense.

> If I don't travel for business, I can pee for free. thus, the toilet
> expense must be a business expense.

"If....then" statements work well in computer programming, but
not interpreting tax law.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 09-16-2008, 06:33 PM
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On Sep 15, 7:25 pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-
gro...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> What is the ratio of expenses without receipts to total expenses?

I keep 95% of my receipts above $35 and maybe 80% below $35 . Is this
good enough to convince an auditor I am 'honest'?

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Old 09-16-2008, 06:31 PM
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"Harlan Lunsford" <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:48CF1E75.7030409[at]bellsouth.net...
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> Mark Bole wrote:
> > removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > > have this in France).
> > > They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in

> > France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> > of providing toilets or toilet-related services.
> > Right; most definitely a personal expense.


If I don't travel for business, I can pee for free. thus, the toilet
expense must be a business expense.

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Old 09-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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Seth wrote:
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> In article <48CF1E75.7030409[at]bellsouth.net> ,
> Harlan Lunsford <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Mark Bole wrote:
> > > removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > > > have this in France).
> > > They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in
> > > France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> > > of providing toilets or toilet-related services.
> > > > Right; most definitely a personal expense.

> On a business trip, stuff I could do for free at home (if I were home)
> but that costs money because I'm travelling is deductible.
> (E.g. laundry.)
> > Like haircuts. (but my hair GROWS on company time!)

> Suppose normally your wife cuts your hair (free), but on a months-long
> business trip you go to a barber. Would that be deductible?

She does but even if I had to pay for it out of town, that would still
be a personal expense, similar to the personal massages she gives me.
Could I thus deduct those personal "massages"? away from home?

ChEAr$,
Harlan

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Old 09-16-2008, 05:51 PM
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Seth wrote:

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> On a business trip, stuff I could do for free at home (if I were home)
> but that costs money because I'm travelling is deductible.
> (E.g. laundry.)


That is not a general rule. Laundry is specifically defined as a travel
expense (see Pub 463, table 1-1), so that is not a relevant example.

Laundry is specifically excluded as an incidental expense, same page.

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> > Like haircuts. (but my hair GROWS on company time!)
> Suppose normally your wife cuts your hair (free), but on a months-long
> business trip you go to a barber. Would that be deductible?


No. Even people required as a condition of employment to get frequent
haircuts (e.g. military members) do not have a deductible employee or
business-related expense for that.

Besides, when you start talking about "months long" business trip, you
raise questions about tax home.

Pub 463 mentions an optional method for deducting incidental expenses at
a flat daily rate.

Beyond that, it's facts and circumstances. See Pub 463. Here's one,
how about hotel in-call massages you pay for to relieve the stress of
traveling on business?

-Mark Bole

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Old 09-16-2008, 03:45 PM
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In article <48CF1E75.7030409[at]bellsouth.net> ,
Harlan Lunsford <hlunsford[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
- quote -

> Mark Bole wrote:
> > removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > > have this in France).
> > > They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in

> > France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> > of providing toilets or toilet-related services.
> > Right; most definitely a personal expense.


On a business trip, stuff I could do for free at home (if I were home)
but that costs money because I'm travelling is deductible.
(E.g. laundry.)

- quote -

> Like haircuts. (but my hair GROWS on company time!)

Suppose normally your wife cuts your hair (free), but on a months-long
business trip you go to a barber. Would that be deductible?

Seth

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Old 09-16-2008, 02:48 AM
Harlan Lunsford
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Mark Bole wrote:
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> removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
> > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > have this in France).

> They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in
> France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> of providing toilets or toilet-related services.

Right; most definitely a personal expense.
Like haircuts. (but my hair GROWS on company time!)

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 09-16-2008, 02:42 AM
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On Sep 15, 6:40 pm, Mark Bole <ma...[at]pacbell.net> wrote:
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> removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com wrote:

> > What is the ratio of expenses without receipts to total expenses?

> Let's try two answers, just hypothetically. 5%, and 50%.


In either case you need receipts. Except in the case of 5%, maybe
there's a chance you can get away with it? Is this true?


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> > Often you can get receipts by contacting the company.
> "even for small amounts of money" ?


Yeah, it's possible if they have good records in a computer, like at
companies with a web storefront. Stores like Circuit City which have
a web and physical store presence, may even be able to help you if you
bought everything at the physical store, but I'd need to test that
out.

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> > Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> > have this in France).

> They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in
> France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
> of providing toilets or toilet-related services.


If you were on a business trip in the US or France, and had toilet
fees, they would be deductible. I don't know anywhere in the US that
has these fees though.

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Old 09-16-2008, 01:40 AM
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removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Sep 15, 12:24 pm, nonse...[at]mynonsense.net wrote:
> > I am quite dilligent about keeping all business expense receipts even
> > for small amounts of money. My question is should I still report an
> > expense if I have lost the receipt but do have credit card statements
> > to proove it?


Do you have contemporaneous notes or logs to show the business purpose
of the expense?

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> What is the ratio of expenses without receipts to total expenses?

Let's try two answers, just hypothetically. 5%, and 50%.


- quote -

> Often you can get receipts by contacting the company.

"even for small amounts of money" ?


- quote -

> Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
> have this in France).


They also have bus fare in the U.S. Are toilet fees deductible in
France? I don't think they are in U.S., unless you are in the business
of providing toilets or toilet-related services.

-Mark Bole

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Old 09-16-2008, 12:25 AM
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On Sep 15, 12:24 pm, nonse...[at]mynonsense.net wrote:

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> I am quite dilligent about keeping all business expense receipts even
> for small amounts of money. My question is should I still report an
> expense if I have lost the receipt but do have credit card statements
> to proove it?


What is the ratio of expenses without receipts to total expenses?

Often you can get receipts by contacting the company.

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> Also is there any minimum amount for which no receipt is required,
> like $25 and under expenses?


There's no limit. But if a receipt is not readily available, then
it's OK. Examples I can think of are bus fare and toilet fees (they
have this in France).

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Old 09-15-2008, 07:24 PM
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I am quite dilligent about keeping all business expense receipts even
for small amounts of money. My question is should I still report an
expense if I have lost the receipt but do have credit card statements
to proove it?

I would think an auditor would appreciate my diligence with record
keeping and be convinced my expenses for which I do not have actual
receipts are legitimate?

Also is there any minimum amount for which no receipt is required,
like $25 and under expenses?

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