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Old 08-18-2008, 06:25 PM
Harlan Lunsford
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LoTax wrote:
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> Hey, Whoa, Slow down. What about the very very very very complicated
> rules for health insurance premiums paid by an S corporation for its
> 2%-or-more shareholder-employees and treated as "SE health insurance
> premiums" by those 2%-or-more shareholder-employees. The insurance
> premium expense is definitely deductible, as compensation to the
> shareholder-employee, and it's included as compensation on his W-2 and
> the accounting on the corporation's tax books is pretty straight-
> forward. The premium is deductible as a current (compensation)
> expense and lowers the taxable ordinary income of the corporation, and
> all the shareholders' shares of K-1 ordinary income/loss. Huge
> amounts of taxpayer and gummint time and effort have been invested in
> working this out, over and over, and explaining it and re-explaining
> it....

Also let's remember that corporations can't pay health insurance for
shareholders. ONLY if a shareholder might also be an employee of the
corporation can it be done.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 08-18-2008, 05:55 PM
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On Aug 18, 9:07�am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.netwrote:
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> "nobody" <nob...[at]nobody.com> wrote
> > Some benefits for a major shareholder of a S Corporation cannot be
> > deducted as expenses of the S Corporation. � For example, the cost of
> > health insurance for the shareholder - if paid for by the S Corporation -
> > is passed through to the shareholder, where he will take that as a
> > deduction on the personal return. �


Hey, Whoa, Slow down. What about the very very very very complicated
rules for health insurance premiums paid by an S corporation for its
2%-or-more shareholder-employees and treated as "SE health insurance
premiums" by those 2%-or-more shareholder-employees. The insurance
premium expense is definitely deductible, as compensation to the
shareholder-employee, and it's included as compensation on his W-2 and
the accounting on the corporation's tax books is pretty straight-
forward. The premium is deductible as a current (compensation)
expense and lowers the taxable ordinary income of the corporation, and
all the shareholders' shares of K-1 ordinary income/loss. Huge
amounts of taxpayer and gummint time and effort have been invested in
working this out, over and over, and explaining it and re-explaining
it....

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Old 08-18-2008, 01:07 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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Default Re: Questions on Health Insurance for Shareholder in S Corporation


"nobody" <nobody[at]nobody.com> wrote
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> Some benefits for a major shareholder of a S Corporation cannot be
> deducted as expenses of the S Corporation. For example, the cost of
> health insurance for the shareholder - if paid for by the S Corporation -
> is passed through to the shareholder, where he will take that as a
> deduction on the personal return. My question is what does the
> accounting for this look like on the books of the S Corporation, and how
> does this affect shareholder basis?
> Does the S Corporation do a journal entry to remove the health insurance
> as an expense, and to move it to the shareholder as a distribution?
> Does the shareholder reduce his basis in the S Corporation by the amount
> of the health insurance distribution?






Please keep in mind that items that are legitimate and proper deductions for
financial reporting aren't always deductible for tax purposes.

The "S" Corp can book an accounting expense for the health insurance for the
shareholder.
They can not take a ~tax~ deduction for that expense.
There would be an adjustment on the M-1 for this, as well as for
contributions, and other items that were taken for financial purposes that
differ for tax purposes.






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Watkinsville, Georgia

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Old 08-18-2008, 03:32 AM
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Default Questions on Health Insurance for Shareholder in S Corporation

Some benefits for a major shareholder of a S Corporation cannot be deducted
as expenses of the S Corporation. For example, the cost of health
insurance for the shareholder - if paid for by the S Corporation - is passed
through to the shareholder, where he will take that as a deduction on the
personal return. My question is what does the accounting for this look
like on the books of the S Corporation, and how does this affect shareholder
basis?

Does the S Corporation do a journal entry to remove the health insurance as
an expense, and to move it to the shareholder as a distribution?

Does the shareholder reduce his basis in the S Corporation by the amount of
the health insurance distribution?

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