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Old 07-30-2008, 10:19 PM
Alan
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Arthur Kamlet wrote:
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> In article <sl0kk.9227$L_.3405[at]flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com> ,
> Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> > > Alan wrote:
> > > > HR 3221 has passed both houses and Pres. Bush says he will sign it.
> > > > > > > Text is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...H.R.3221.EAS2:
> > > > > > > JCT explanation of Division C tax provisions is at:
> > > > http://www.house.gov/jct/x-63-08.pdf
> > > > > > > Senate Summary of other provisions is at:
> > > > > http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...ctSummary3.pdf
> > > > > > The JCT explanation describes a version of the bill that differs
> > > slightly from the final relating to the First-Time Homebuyer Credit.
> > > > > > > The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10% of
> > > purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed $7500 to
> > > $8000 and $3750 to $4000.
> > > > > JCT refers to a provision to allow 1Q09 purchases to be treated as if
> > > purchased in 2008 to allow a 2008 tax credit. This provision was removed
> > > from the final version.

> Did you mean 1H09?


The first time homebuyer credit is available for a principal
residence purchased on or after April 9, 2008, and before July 1,
2009.

Any home purchased in 2009, but no later then June 30, 2009 that
meets the definition of a first time home, can be treated at the
election of the taxpayer as if it was bought on 12/31/08 ONLY for
purposes of calculating and applying the credit in 2008.

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Old 07-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Alan
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Arthur Kamlet wrote:
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> In article <sl0kk.9227$L_.3405[at]flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com> ,
> Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > When all was said and done, the final version conforms to the JCT
> > explanation. $3750/$7500 and the election to treat 2009 purchases
> > as a 2008 purchase for purposes of the credit.

> Except a 2009 purchase must still be treated as a 2009 purchase
> for the purpose of calculaing if this is a first home purchase.
> A "first home" for this credit (more like a loan, since it has
> to be paid back) generaly follows the first home exception for a
> section 72 exclusion from IRA early distribution tax, except
> three years is used for this new credit instead of two years.

A first home requires no present ownership interest in a
principal residence during the 3-year period ending on the date
of the purchase of the new principal residence.

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Old 07-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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In article <sl0kk.9227$L_.3405[at]flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com> ,
Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
- quote -

> Alan wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> > > HR 3221 has passed both houses and Pres. Bush says he will sign it.
> > > > > Text is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...H.R.3221.EAS2:
> > > > > JCT explanation of Division C tax provisions is at:
> > > http://www.house.gov/jct/x-63-08.pdf
> > > > > Senate Summary of other provisions is at:
> > > http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...ctSummary3.pdf
> > > > > > The JCT explanation describes a version of the bill that differs

> > slightly from the final relating to the First-Time Homebuyer Credit.
> > > > The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10% of

> > purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed $7500 to
> > $8000 and $3750 to $4000.
> > > JCT refers to a provision to allow 1Q09 purchases to be treated as if

> > purchased in 2008 to allow a 2008 tax credit. This provision was removed
> > from the final version.



Did you mean 1H09?


- quote -

> I lost track of the concurrences to the amendments to the
> amendments of the amendments (Resolving differences -- Senate
> actions: Senate agreed to the motion to concur in House amendment
> to Senate amendment to House amendments to Senate amendment to
> the bill by Yea-Nay Vote. 72 - 13.).
> When all was said and done, the final version conforms to the JCT
> explanation. $3750/$7500 and the election to treat 2009 purchases
> as a 2008 purchase for purposes of the credit.

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ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 07-30-2008, 08:06 PM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: Housing & Economic Recovery Act Passes Congress

In article <sl0kk.9227$L_.3405[at]flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com> ,
Alan <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
- quote -

> When all was said and done, the final version conforms to the JCT
> explanation. $3750/$7500 and the election to treat 2009 purchases
> as a 2008 purchase for purposes of the credit.


Except a 2009 purchase must still be treated as a 2009 purchase
for the purpose of calculaing if this is a first home purchase.

A "first home" for this credit (more like a loan, since it has
to be paid back) generaly follows the first home exception for a
section 72 exclusion from IRA early distribution tax, except
three years is used for this new credit instead of two years.
--


ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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Old 07-30-2008, 04:08 PM
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Alan wrote:
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> Alan wrote:
> > HR 3221 has passed both houses and Pres. Bush says he will sign it.
> > > Text is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...H.R.3221.EAS2:
> > > JCT explanation of Division C tax provisions is at:

> > http://www.house.gov/jct/x-63-08.pdf
> > > Senate Summary of other provisions is at:

> > http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...ctSummary3.pdf
> > > The JCT explanation describes a version of the bill that differs

> slightly from the final relating to the First-Time Homebuyer Credit.
> The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10% of
> purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed $7500 to
> $8000 and $3750 to $4000.
> JCT refers to a provision to allow 1Q09 purchases to be treated as if
> purchased in 2008 to allow a 2008 tax credit. This provision was removed
> from the final version.

I lost track of the concurrences to the amendments to the
amendments of the amendments (Resolving differences -- Senate
actions: Senate agreed to the motion to concur in House amendment
to Senate amendment to House amendments to Senate amendment to
the bill by Yea-Nay Vote. 72 - 13.).

When all was said and done, the final version conforms to the JCT
explanation. $3750/$7500 and the election to treat 2009 purchases
as a 2008 purchase for purposes of the credit.

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Old 07-27-2008, 01:45 AM
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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
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> Alan wrote:
> > Paul Thomas wrote:
> > > "Alan" <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote
> > > > The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10%
> > > > of purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed
> > > > $7500 to $8000 and $3750 to $4000.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did the 15 year payback survive? If so, does anyone believe that in
> > > 2012 a new client will tell you that they owe an extra $500 because
> > > in 08 or 09 they bought a house and took the credit?
> > > > > I suspect this is another "economic stimulus" for the guy who sells
> > > paper and envelopes to the IRS.
> > > > > > > > > > You add 6.667% of the credit to your tax bill in each year for 15

> > years starting in the second taxable year after the credit is taken.
> > There is also recapture if the home is disposed of or ceases to be
> > your principal residence. There are also rules for divorces,
> > involuntary conversions and situations where recapture exceeds gain on
> > sale. And naturally, the credit phases out when your income gets too
> > high.
> > > As for IRS tracking recapture... I see no reason why their computers

> > can't look for the 6.667% add back in future years for each taxpayer
> > that claims the credit in 2008 and 2009.
> > Likewise they can, upon divorce of a joint return filer, track each ex

> spouse for 3.3335%?
> ChEAr$,
> Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

Ask me again in 2011.

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Old 07-27-2008, 01:00 AM
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Alan wrote:
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> Paul Thomas wrote:
> > "Alan" <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote
> > > The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10%
> > > of purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed
> > > $7500 to $8000 and $3750 to $4000.
> > > > > > > > Did the 15 year payback survive? If so, does anyone believe that in

> > 2012 a new client will tell you that they owe an extra $500 because in
> > 08 or 09 they bought a house and took the credit?
> > > I suspect this is another "economic stimulus" for the guy who sells

> > paper and envelopes to the IRS.
> > > > > You add 6.667% of the credit to your tax bill in each year for 15 years

> starting in the second taxable year after the credit is taken. There is
> also recapture if the home is disposed of or ceases to be your principal
> residence. There are also rules for divorces, involuntary conversions
> and situations where recapture exceeds gain on sale. And naturally, the
> credit phases out when your income gets too high.
> As for IRS tracking recapture... I see no reason why their computers
> can't look for the 6.667% add back in future years for each taxpayer
> that claims the credit in 2008 and 2009.

Likewise they can, upon divorce of a joint return filer, track each ex
spouse for 3.3335%?

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 07-26-2008, 09:39 PM
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Paul Thomas wrote:
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> "Alan" <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote
> > The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10% of
> > purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed $7500 to
> > $8000 and $3750 to $4000.

> Did the 15 year payback survive? If so, does anyone believe that in 2012 a
> new client will tell you that they owe an extra $500 because in 08 or 09
> they bought a house and took the credit?
> I suspect this is another "economic stimulus" for the guy who sells paper
> and envelopes to the IRS.

You add 6.667% of the credit to your tax bill in each year for 15
years starting in the second taxable year after the credit is
taken. There is also recapture if the home is disposed of or
ceases to be your principal residence. There are also rules for
divorces, involuntary conversions and situations where recapture
exceeds gain on sale. And naturally, the credit phases out when
your income gets too high.

As for IRS tracking recapture... I see no reason why their
computers can't look for the 6.667% add back in future years for
each taxpayer that claims the credit in 2008 and 2009.

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Old 07-26-2008, 08:58 PM
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"Alan" <sfcnm-mtm[at]yahoo.com> wrote
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> The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of 10% of
> purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill changed $7500 to
> $8000 and $3750 to $4000.







Did the 15 year payback survive? If so, does anyone believe that in 2012 a
new client will tell you that they owe an extra $500 because in 08 or 09
they bought a house and took the credit?

I suspect this is another "economic stimulus" for the guy who sells paper
and envelopes to the IRS.




--
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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Old 07-26-2008, 07:36 PM
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Alan wrote:
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> HR 3221 has passed both houses and Pres. Bush says he will sign it.
> Text is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...H.R.3221.EAS2:
> JCT explanation of Division C tax provisions is at:
> http://www.house.gov/jct/x-63-08.pdf
> Senate Summary of other provisions is at:
> http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...ctSummary3.pdf

The JCT explanation describes a version of the bill that differs
slightly from the final relating to the First-Time Homebuyer Credit.


The amount of the credit identified by the JCT is the lesser of
10% of purchase price or $7500 ($3750 if MFS). The final bill
changed $7500 to $8000 and $3750 to $4000.

JCT refers to a provision to allow 1Q09 purchases to be treated
as if purchased in 2008 to allow a 2008 tax credit. This
provision was removed from the final version.

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Old 07-26-2008, 04:36 PM
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Default Housing & Economic Recovery Act Passes Congress

HR 3221 has passed both houses and Pres. Bush says he will sign it.

Text is at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...H.R.3221.EAS2:

JCT explanation of Division C tax provisions is at:
http://www.house.gov/jct/x-63-08.pdf

Senate Summary of other provisions is at:
http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...ctSummary3.pdf

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