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| On May 23, 4:03*am, "D. Stussy" <s...[at]bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote: - quote - > "Arthur Kamlet" <kam...[at]panix.com> wrote in message > news:g1470e$hti$1[at]reader2.panix.com...> In article > <ab6e252c-4ea0-40e3-8984-ba9e24660...[at]c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > *<davidrosenb...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and > > > the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account, > > > and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says). > > > For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA > > > was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims > > > it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is > > > that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. > > > Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether > > > his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. > > > Can anyone make heads or tails of this? > > If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does > > not become part of his probate estate. > > Unless he asks for the *IRA to be distributed to him as new owner > > of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed. > > Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA > > as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar. > > If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will > > not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this > > now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice. > A form 1099-B for an IRA (inherited or not) is an error. *What is important > is the 1099-R. > If the broker issued a 1099-B for the sale from the IRA account, the broker > really screwed up - unless the account wasn't an IRA after all. > -- Thanks everyone. I also thought that there shouldn't be a 1099-B, as you say. And Phil, I agree with your analysis. I told him pretty much the same thing. He gave me no info re the IRA - said there was none. But he's now checking it. The 1099-B was issued on his name. Hopefully he'll get me some IRA info and then we can see. David -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Arthur Kamlet" <kamlet[at]panix.com> wrote in message news:g1470e$hti$1[at]reader2.panix.com... - quote - > In article
A form 1099-B for an IRA (inherited or not) is an error. What is important<ab6e252c-4ea0-40e3-8984-ba9e24660377[at]c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > <davidrosenbaum[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and > > the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account, > > and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says). > > > For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA > > was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims > > it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is > > that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. > > > Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether > > his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. > > > Can anyone make heads or tails of this? > If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does > not become part of his probate estate. > Unless he asks for the IRA to be distributed to him as new owner > of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed. > Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA > as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar. > If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will > not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this > now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice. is the 1099-R. If the broker issued a 1099-B for the sale from the IRA account, the broker really screwed up - unless the account wasn't an IRA after all. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <davidrosenbaum[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and
As previously noted, if he's the named beneficiary of the IRA it doesn't go> the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account, > and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says). through probate. - quote - > For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
Something is missing.> was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims > it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is > that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. > Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether > his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. If the IRA sold shares there would be no 1099-B, and basis in the shares is irrelevant. If there was a distribution of shares which were subsequently sold by the beneficiary from a taxable account there would be a 1099-R showing the market value of the shares distributed, and that amount is the basis in the shares distributed. If the shares were sold from an inherited IRA we're back to no 1099-B and irrelevant basis. You need to dig deeper. Question 1: What name is on the 1099-B? Question 2: What do the pertinent IRA statements show? Irrelevant to this specific transaction but important for the beneficiary to know is whether the deceased had after-tax money in any of the IRAs which were inherited. That information comes from the decedent's returns. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| davidrosenbaum[at]gmail.com writes: - quote - > For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
The cost basis will be whatever the amount of the reinvested> was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims > it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is > that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. > Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether > his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. IRA "redemption" was. Whether or not his father had made non-ded contributions to the IRA is irrelevant. -- Rich Carreiro rlc-news[at]rlcarr.com -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| In article <ab6e252c-4ea0-40e3-8984-ba9e24660377[at]c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , <davidrosenbaum[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and > the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account, > and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says). > For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA > was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims > it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is > that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. > Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether > his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. > Can anyone make heads or tails of this? If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does not become part of his probate estate. Unless he asks for the IRA to be distributed to him as new owner of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed. Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar. If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice. -- ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account, and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says). For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares. Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA. Can anyone make heads or tails of this? Thanks. David Rosenbaum -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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