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Old 04-21-2008, 04:05 PM
Mark Bole
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removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Apr 19, 9:58 am, Mark Bole <ma...[at]pacbell.net> wrote:
> > One option is to amend your 2005 tax return to reflect the distribution
> > as it should have been reported at that time, and then attach a
> > statement to your 2007 return explaining that the 1099-R was previously
> > accounted for.

> But if he never received this 1k interest why should he pay taxes on
> it?


If he amends the 2005 return to reflect what the outstanding loan
balance was at that time, he won't.

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> To original poster: Where is the 1k now? Is it still in the account,
> but maybe bigger now? Try to look at your monthly, quarterly, or
> annual statements over the years to track where this 1k is.


I assume he has not been continuing loan payments after he left the job.
The interest is accrued, not actually paid.


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> > However, you would then have a two-year-overdue tax payment to the IRS
> > for 2005 which would be subject to interest. Having a two-year grace
> > period on paying your full tax, and avoiding amendments and attachments,
> > might be sufficient to overcome the extra tax and penalty on the accrued
> > interest.

> Sorry, I don't understand.


He says his former employer screwed up by issuing the 1099-R two years
late. So, if they had issued it on time, for tax year 2005, he would
have paid tax and early distribution penalty on or before mid-April
2006. It's now two years later, he still hasn't paid any tax. Sounds
like a deal to me!

-Mark Bole




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Old 04-20-2008, 06:00 PM
removeps-groups@yahoo.com
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Default Re: Not understanding 1099R, 401K loan

On Apr 19, 9:58 am, Mark Bole <ma...[at]pacbell.net> wrote:

- quote -

> One option is to amend your 2005 tax return to reflect the distribution
> as it should have been reported at that time, and then attach a
> statement to your 2007 return explaining that the 1099-R was previously
> accounted for.


But if he never received this 1k interest why should he pay taxes on
it?

To original poster: Where is the 1k now? Is it still in the account,
but maybe bigger now? Try to look at your monthly, quarterly, or
annual statements over the years to track where this 1k is.


- quote -

> However, you would then have a two-year-overdue tax payment to the IRS
> for 2005 which would be subject to interest. Having a two-year grace
> period on paying your full tax, and avoiding amendments and attachments,
> might be sufficient to overcome the extra tax and penalty on the accrued
> interest.


Sorry, I don't understand.

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Old 04-19-2008, 04:58 PM
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removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Apr 16, 1:49 pm, Turborob <TurboRob...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is what they claim, but why would unpaid interest be deemed a
> > distribution? I understand paying the tax and penalty on money I
> > withdrew since tax was never paid on it previously, but accrued
> > interest isnotmoney that I ever received. I just don't understand
> > it I guess. So the benefits company screws up, doesn't issue the 1099
> > in the correct year, adds a bunch of interest to the loan and I wind
> > up with a larger tax burden...there just isn't any logic there.


One option is to amend your 2005 tax return to reflect the distribution
as it should have been reported at that time, and then attach a
statement to your 2007 return explaining that the 1099-R was previously
accounted for.

However, you would then have a two-year-overdue tax payment to the IRS
for 2005 which would be subject to interest. Having a two-year grace
period on paying your full tax, and avoiding amendments and attachments,
might be sufficient to overcome the extra tax and penalty on the accrued
interest.

-Mark Bole

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Old 04-18-2008, 11:27 PM
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On Apr 17, 3:28 pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-
gro...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> You you only took out 13k, but they claim you took out 14k (of which
> 1k is interest, capital gain, whatever)? Have you tried to resolve
> the issue with them?


I've had several phone calls with them but they are not particularly
cooperative. They claim that it is normal to add on accrued interest,
which in this case is $2K. Since this mysterious accrued interest is
not money I ever received from my pre-tax 401K, I'm not sure why the
IRS would expect me to pay income tax on it.

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Old 04-17-2008, 07:28 PM
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On Apr 16, 1:49 pm, Turborob <TurboRob...[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> That is what they claim, but why would unpaid interest be deemed a
> distribution? I understand paying the tax and penalty on money I
> withdrew since tax was never paid on it previously, but accrued
> interest isnotmoney that I ever received. I just don't understand
> it I guess. So the benefits company screws up, doesn't issue the 1099
> in the correct year, adds a bunch of interest to the loan and I wind
> up with a larger tax burden...there just isn't any logic there.


You you only took out 13k, but they claim you took out 14k (of which
1k is interest, capital gain, whatever)? Have you tried to resolve
the issue with them?

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Old 04-16-2008, 08:49 PM
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On Apr 14, 10:16*pm, Paultry <paultr...[at]afn.org> wrote:
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> Turborob wrote:
> > Although it is the last minute and I will probably file an extension,
> > I am hoping someone can help explain a 1099R I received from my ex-
> > employer. *I had a 401K account from which I borrowed approximately
> > $13K in 11/2004. *I paid back approximately $1K of that and left the
> > company in 04/2005 with a loan balance of $12K. *For whatever reason,
> > they didn't consider the loan distributed until the 2007 tax year. *I
> > realize that I owe the tax and a 10% penalty on the outstanding loan
> > balance, but for some reason they are stating a distribution amount on
> > the 1099R of $14K. *Where could this number be coming from?
> > Any ideas would be appreciated...
> > Rob

> Principal plus unpaid interest?


That is what they claim, but why would unpaid interest be deemed a
distribution? I understand paying the tax and penalty on money I
withdrew since tax was never paid on it previously, but accrued
interest is not money that I ever received. I just don't understand
it I guess. So the benefits company screws up, doesn't issue the 1099
in the correct year, adds a bunch of interest to the loan and I wind
up with a larger tax burden...there just isn't any logic there.

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Old 04-15-2008, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: Not understanding 1099R, 401K loan

Turborob wrote:
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> Although it is the last minute and I will probably file an extension,
> I am hoping someone can help explain a 1099R I received from my ex-
> employer. I had a 401K account from which I borrowed approximately
> $13K in 11/2004. I paid back approximately $1K of that and left the
> company in 04/2005 with a loan balance of $12K. For whatever reason,
> they didn't consider the loan distributed until the 2007 tax year. I
> realize that I owe the tax and a 10% penalty on the outstanding loan
> balance, but for some reason they are stating a distribution amount on
> the 1099R of $14K. Where could this number be coming from?
> Any ideas would be appreciated...
> Rob


Principal plus unpaid interest?

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Old 04-15-2008, 01:47 AM
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Default Not understanding 1099R, 401K loan

Although it is the last minute and I will probably file an extension,
I am hoping someone can help explain a 1099R I received from my ex-
employer. I had a 401K account from which I borrowed approximately
$13K in 11/2004. I paid back approximately $1K of that and left the
company in 04/2005 with a loan balance of $12K. For whatever reason,
they didn't consider the loan distributed until the 2007 tax year. I
realize that I owe the tax and a 10% penalty on the outstanding loan
balance, but for some reason they are stating a distribution amount on
the 1099R of $14K. Where could this number be coming from?

Any ideas would be appreciated...

Rob

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