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Old 04-09-2008, 02:02 AM
Ernie Klein
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Default Re: Dependent 1099 Misc Income from Livestock Sale

In article <ZIUKj.28759$Er2.20464[at]bignews6.bellsouth.net> ,
"Paul Thomas" <paulthomascpa[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:

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> "Ernie Klein" <ecklein[at]pacbell.net> wrote
> > Why are County Fairs/Jr. Livestock Shows sending out 1099-MISC forms?


> It's buried in with "Prizes and Awards".

I have read that several times and searched the IRS web site but "Prizes
and Awards" and proceeds for an auction do not seem to equate. i.e., if
I win (prize) or am awarded (I did something good and am being given an
award) of $1000, then I am $1000 richer so a 1099-MISC seems
appropriate, but if I purchased something for $999 and it auctions for
$1000 the definitions do not seem to fit. It is neither an prize or
award, only what a willing buyer is willing to pay at a given time for a
given item.

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:49 AM
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amyismynamey wrote:
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> I have a question I haven't seen before. My son raises goats for an
> FFA/school project and it gets auctioned off at the County Livestock
> show. He received a 1099-MISC with the auction amount shown in box
> 3. The true net proceeds of the sale are actually in the negative due
> to all of the feed, supplies, etc. necessary to raise the animal. My
> question is, the money for these supplies was actually paid by us, his
> parents....how do you handle this and is there ANY way for us to take
> advantage of these expenditures as my husband and I owe the IRS on our
> joint return? ANY help would be appreciated!


May not work for you, but for us the costs were absorbed in the overall
operation and the kids got the proceeds as their college fund money.
(Showing how old a fogey I am, when Dad did that for my brother and I,
we put ourselves through school almost completely on the proceeds from
one show steer and a couple of feeder heifers per year).

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:11 AM
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"Ernie Klein" <ecklein[at]pacbell.net> wrote
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> Why are County Fairs/Jr. Livestock Shows sending out 1099-MISC forms?



Because they should.




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> Does anyone know the rule that requires that they do so? It does not
> seem to be covered in the 1099-MISC instructions.
> I have been told that our county will also be sending 1099-MISC starting
> this year, but they won't cite a requirement for them to do so.



Because they don't know.

It's buried in with "Prizes and Awards".





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Athens, Georgia

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Old 04-08-2008, 11:50 PM
Ernie Klein
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Default Re: Dependent 1099 Misc Income from Livestock Sale

In article
<ea16f464-8ffc-4bba-80e1-41ae6fdc52c1[at]t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> ,
amyismynamey <amyc[at]suemaur.com> wrote:

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> My son raises goats for an
> FFA/school project and it gets auctioned off at the County Livestock
> show. He received a 1099-MISC with the auction amount shown in box
> 3.


Related question that I am still looking for an answer--

Why are County Fairs/Jr. Livestock Shows sending out 1099-MISC forms?

Does anyone know the rule that requires that they do so? It does not
seem to be covered in the 1099-MISC instructions.

I have been told that our county will also be sending 1099-MISC starting
this year, but they won't cite a requirement for them to do so.

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Old 04-08-2008, 11:26 PM
Ernie Klein
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Default Re: Dependent 1099 Misc Income from Livestock Sale

In article
<ea16f464-8ffc-4bba-80e1-41ae6fdc52c1[at]t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> ,
amyismynamey <amyc[at]suemaur.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I have a question I haven't seen before. My son raises goats for an
> FFA/school project and it gets auctioned off at the County Livestock
> show. He received a 1099-MISC with the auction amount shown in box
> 3. The true net proceeds of the sale are actually in the negative due
> to all of the feed, supplies, etc. necessary to raise the animal.


I asked this same question back in February

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....thread/thread/
dfc8efe865c56500/7ed3d05d2cc67371?lnk=st&q=#7ed3d05d2cc67371

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> From my post on Feb, 13.

"I think I may have found the answer. *Pub 225 "Farmer's Tax Guide", in
chapter 12, under "Self Employment Tax" of all places, it says that "4-H
or FFA project animals..." may be subject to income tax and should be
reported on line 21 of Form 1040 with a attached statement showing the
gross income and expense and that the net income should not be subject
to SE tax."

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> My
> question is, the money for these supplies was actually paid by us, his
> parents....how do you handle this and is there ANY way for us to take
> advantage of these expenditures as my husband and I owe the IRS on our
> joint return? ANY help would be appreciated!


AFAIK the only thing that can go on a parents return is the "kiddy tax"
which must be only interest or dividend income under a certain amount,
the 1099-MISC from the auction same does not qualify.

I know that this year my grandkids have already spent much more to
purchase their show beef and feed ($16/50 lbs. and they eat 25 lbs. a
day) than they will ever recover so they will probably have a large loss
after the sale in August.

I also pay for all of the feed and supplies but it is a loan to their
project, to be paid back out of their profit (if any).

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Old 04-08-2008, 10:24 PM
amyismynamey
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Default Dependent 1099 Misc Income from Livestock Sale

I have a question I haven't seen before. My son raises goats for an
FFA/school project and it gets auctioned off at the County Livestock
show. He received a 1099-MISC with the auction amount shown in box
3. The true net proceeds of the sale are actually in the negative due
to all of the feed, supplies, etc. necessary to raise the animal. My
question is, the money for these supplies was actually paid by us, his
parents....how do you handle this and is there ANY way for us to take
advantage of these expenditures as my husband and I owe the IRS on our
joint return? ANY help would be appreciated!

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