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Mark, given your effort thus far, I suggest you contact the IRS and point
out the forms you found which do not have document rights enabled. I am
sure it is not their intention.

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Tom_Rossi wrote:
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For the sake of entertaining off-topic diversion, I downloaded all the
current IRS forms and instructions from ftp.irs.gov site. A highly
unscientific (yet amazingly random) sample of the downloaded documents
reveals that 98+% of them have document rights enabled, meaning you can
type in data fields and save locally even with free Adobe Acrobat Reader
(ver 7.0.9 -- I haven't seen a compelling reason to upgrade to ver 8.0).

I found in my sample the following two forms that did not have document
rights enabled: Form 8027 (Employer’s Annual Information Return of Tip
Income and Allocated Tips) and Form 13324 (Internal Revenue Service
Civil Rights Assurance for Sub-recipients under SPEC Partnership
Agreements). Form 941 specifically *did* have rights enabled.

Interestingly, upon opening with Adobe Reader, one of the IRS downloaded
form files popped up the following diagnostic:

"This document contained certain rights to enable special features in
Adobe Reader. The document has been changed since it was created and
these rights are no longer valid. Please contact the author of the
original version of this document."

-Mark Bole

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you first said you were using version 7.0. Have you tried two different
versions? That form works for me in 7.0. When did you download it from
IRS.GOV? maybe you should download it again and see if perhaps they
corrected a problem in their document?

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Tom_Rossi wrote:
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It's the permission level IRS has granted to the document (their only
way they can try to ensure any data entered and retained is not
modifiable later once it's left their site).

imo, etc., ...

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On Apr 2, 9:01*pm, Victor Roberts <x...[at]lighting-research.com> wrote:
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When I open the 941.pdf document in Acrobat Reader 8.1.2 there is a
message up top that says "Please fill out the following form. You
cannot save data typed into this form. Please print your completed
form if you would like a copy for your records."

I'm trying to figure out if this is an Adobe issue or an issue with
the file from the IRS. If I open it with Preview on a Mac, it will
not allow me to save my changed either. That is what has me leaning
towards an issue with the file.

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:41:56 EDT, joetaxpayer
<joetaxpayer[at]nospam.com> wrote:

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You can save THESE forms with their data, but many other
fill-in forms you cannot.

I'm using Reader 8.1.2.

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Tom_Rossi wrote:
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You might also try your question at the newsgroup adobe.acrobat.reader,
perhaps more appropriate for this question.

-Mark Bole

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Tom_Rossi wrote:
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filled in form. Using the "save page as" function under the
file pull down menu will save a blank page.

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"BeanTownSteve" <s.cronmiller[at]gmail.com> wrote in message
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works for me with 7.0

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Cannot duplicate problem. I can fill in and save using Adobe Reader 7.0.9
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"Tom_Rossi" <tom[at]themolehill.com> wrote in message
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are you sure you are reading it right? to me it says you CAN save it,
filled in.

Now why can't the California FTB figure out that PDF setting?

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On Apr 2, 5:54 pm, Tom_Rossi <t...[at]themolehill.com> wrote:
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8.1.2

pdf's open in my browser (Firefox) but I saved the edits and then
opened with Acrobat and the changes were there.
Maybe an upgrade might resolve the issue.

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Tom_Rossi wrote:

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I don't believe 'reader' permits the save. It should allow you to print
with the data and maybe 'print to file', but I only have full Acrobat,
so I'm guessing there.
Joe
www.blog.joetaxpayer.com

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"Tom_Rossi" wrote:

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There's something wrong with your copy of either the form or Reader. I just
downloaded the current version of the Form (02/08), and I'm using Reader
8.1. It worked fine.

Update both and try again.

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Clarksburg, MD

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The IRS website says that you can edit their PDF files and save your
work, but when I open the file in Acrobat Reader 7, it says that you
cannot? What is the deal? Specifically I am looking at the form 941
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf.

Thanks,
Tom

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