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Old 03-25-2008, 06:25 PM
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On Mar 21, 4:31*pm, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...[at]bellsouth.netwrote:
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> "ed" <edcos...[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote
> > On Mar 21, 2:50 pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:
> > > Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> > > FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> > > for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> > > issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.
> > > OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.
> > > As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,
> > > nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
> > > except for my name, rank and serial number.
> > > I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??

> > We answered this on Misc taxes, but I'l go again. *Since you didn't
> > own the fund there would be nothing to report on the K-1 and I don't
> > know why you got a K-1.

> He got a K-1 because to fill the short sale, he had to buy. *A short sale
> means he sold what he didn't own before he owned it. *There was at least one
> second that he was an owner. *K-1's get issued to all owners, regardless of
> how long they owned it.
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> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia
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P:aul: Since he didn't mention buying, I presumed he didn't cover
until the following year--hence no "buy" , and no ownership at all.

ed

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Old 03-22-2008, 03:02 AM
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On Mar 21, 12:50 pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:

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> Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.


So reading the posts here, you can ignore the K-1. But you might have
paid interest to hold the position, and this could be deductible as
investment interest (with the limitations and carryover as usual).

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Old 03-21-2008, 09:39 PM
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In misc.taxes.moderated, Paul Thomas, CPA wrote:

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> "ed" <edcosoft[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote
> > On Mar 21, 2:50 pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:
> > > Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> > > FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> > > for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> > > issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.
> > > > > OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.
> > > > > As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,
> > > nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
> > > except for my name, rank and serial number.
> > > > > I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??
> > > We answered this on Misc taxes, but I'l go again. Since you didn't

> > own the fund there would be nothing to report on the K-1 and I don't
> > know why you got a K-1.

> He got a K-1 because to fill the short sale, he had to buy. A short sale
> means he sold what he didn't own before he owned it. There was at least one
> second that he was an owner. K-1's get issued to all owners, regardless of
> how long they owned it.


Interesting. I wonder what kind of paperwork and taxes the
shareholder who's shares were borrowed will have to deal with. It
kinda makes me want to avoid having PTPs in a margin account from
which they could be lent.

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Old 03-21-2008, 08:31 PM
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"ed" <edcosoft[at]sbcglobal.net> wrote

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> On Mar 21, 2:50 pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:
> > Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> > FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> > for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> > issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.
> > > OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.
> > > As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,

> > nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
> > except for my name, rank and serial number.
> > > I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??


> We answered this on Misc taxes, but I'l go again. Since you didn't
> own the fund there would be nothing to report on the K-1 and I don't
> know why you got a K-1.







He got a K-1 because to fill the short sale, he had to buy. A short sale
means he sold what he didn't own before he owned it. There was at least one
second that he was an owner. K-1's get issued to all owners, regardless of
how long they owned it.





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Old 03-21-2008, 07:09 PM
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On Mar 21, 2:50*pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:
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> Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.
> OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.
> As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,
> nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
> except for my name, rank and serial number.
> * I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??
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> << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > My post was cut short before I could finish or edit it. It should end

with "and type OPEN SHORT in column (f)" .

ed

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Old 03-21-2008, 07:07 PM
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On Mar 21, 2:50*pm, "D.D. Palmer" <ddpal...[at]backnet.net> wrote:
- quote -

> Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
> FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
> for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
> issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.
> OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.
> As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,
> nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
> except for my name, rank and serial number.
> * I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??
> --
> << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- >

We answered this on Misc taxes, but I'l go again. Since you didn't
own the fund there would be nothing to report on the K-1 and I don't
know why you got a K-1. YOu should have received a 1099-B from your
broker with the sales amount on it. Since you have to match the 1099G
totals you shold enter this trade on your Schedule D but leasve
columns (b) and (e) blank and type open short .

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Old 03-21-2008, 06:50 PM
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Default K1 For shares sold short

Today I unexpectedly received a K-1 form for shares of an ETF (US OIL
FUND, symbol "USO") that I sold short in 2007. The form was blank except
for my correct name and SS number, and had a printed note to call the
issuer's tax office as they did not have my correct info.

OK I called and the twinkie on the phone had no clue.

As I was SHORT shares I did not receive any royalties, dividends etc,
nor were any reported to the IRS. The form, as I stated, was blank
except for my name, rank and serial number.

I assume there is nothing for me to do with this form? Good assumption??

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