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Old 03-26-2008, 03:14 PM
Gil Faver
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<parrisbraeside[at]yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> > Let me get this straight. You were married, got divorced but continued
> > to live in the same house. As a result CR wants to tax you as married
> > even though you're not?
> > > You'll have to check Canadian law on that issue. It's possible the

> > courts go along with them on this point, as it's not a completely
> > irrational ruling.
> > > Stu

> The courts did not go along with them on this point. See
> http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/tcc/doc/...3canlii49.html
> for the ruling against the CRA. But, the case is interesting since the
> judge laid out the conditions for common-law vs. single.



interesting case. Except for the written separation agreement, sounds like
the conditions in many marriages!

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Old 03-26-2008, 10:43 AM
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> Let me get this straight. You were married, got divorced but continued
> to live in the same house. As a result CR wants to tax you as married
> even though you're not?
> You'll have to check Canadian law on that issue. It's possible the
> courts go along with them on this point, as it's not a completely
> irrational ruling.
> Stu



The courts did not go along with them on this point. See

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/tcc/doc/...3canlii49.html

for the ruling against the CRA. But, the case is interesting since the
judge laid out the conditions for common-law vs. single.

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Old 03-25-2008, 09:56 PM
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"Stuart Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote in message
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> "sharx35" <sharx35[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > One lived in the basement. One on the main floor. Canada Revenue
> > said that because the basement didn't have separate meters to
> > measure the water, power or gas, then the basement didn't
> > constitute a separate residence and therefore, even in the
> > presence of a FORMAL separation agreement, prepared by attorneys,
> > Canada Revenue insisted that they were STILL legally married and
> > not separated, for tax purposes.

> Let me get this straight. You were married, got divorced but continued
> to live in the same house. As a result CR wants to tax you as married
> even though you're not?


They weren't divorced....simply "separated" BUT with a formal, signed,
legally prepared separation agreement.



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> You'll have to check Canadian law on that issue. It's possible the
> courts go along with them on this point, as it's not a completely
> irrational ruling.
> Stu
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Old 03-25-2008, 01:54 PM
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"sharx35" <sharx35[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

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> One lived in the basement. One on the main floor. Canada Revenue
> said that because the basement didn't have separate meters to
> measure the water, power or gas, then the basement didn't
> constitute a separate residence and therefore, even in the
> presence of a FORMAL separation agreement, prepared by attorneys,
> Canada Revenue insisted that they were STILL legally married and
> not separated, for tax purposes.


Let me get this straight. You were married, got divorced but continued
to live in the same house. As a result CR wants to tax you as married
even though you're not?

You'll have to check Canadian law on that issue. It's possible the
courts go along with them on this point, as it's not a completely
irrational ruling.

Stu

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Old 03-25-2008, 10:53 AM
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"Stuart Bronstein" <spamtrap[at]lexregia.com> wrote in message
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> "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > "sharx35" <sharx35[at]hotmail.com> wrote
> > > Here in Canada, whether you like it or not, after
> > > TWELVE months of consecutive shacking up,
> > > YOU_ARE_MARRIED, for income tax purposes,
> > > So if you're married.....after 12 months of no sex....you're

> > single again?
> > > Some of my redneck buddies would say: Woo Hoo !!!!

> I'd guess no. As the courts in the common-law states say, while you
> can get a common law marriage, you can't get a common law divorce.
> Stu


One lived in the basement. One on the main floor. Canada Revenue said that
because the basement didn't have separate meters to measure the water, power
or gas, then the basement didn't constitute a separate residence and
therefore, even in the presence of a FORMAL separation agreement, prepared
by attorneys, Canada Revenue insisted that they were STILL legally married
and not separated, for tax purposes.



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Old 03-18-2008, 10:58 PM
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"Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> "sharx35" <sharx35[at]hotmail.com> wrote

> > Here in Canada, whether you like it or not, after
> > TWELVE months of consecutive shacking up,
> > YOU_ARE_MARRIED, for income tax purposes,

> So if you're married.....after 12 months of no sex....you're
> single again?
> Some of my redneck buddies would say: Woo Hoo !!!!


I'd guess no. As the courts in the common-law states say, while you
can get a common law marriage, you can't get a common law divorce.

Stu

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Old 03-18-2008, 08:36 PM
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"sharx35" <sharx35[at]hotmail.com> wrote
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> Here in Canada, whether you like it or not, after
> TWELVE months of consecutive shacking up,
> YOU_ARE_MARRIED, for income tax purposes,





So if you're married.....after 12 months of no sex....you're single again?



Some of my redneck buddies would say: Woo Hoo !!!!







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Old 03-18-2008, 08:11 PM
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams[at]panix.com> wrote in message
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> none <hanish123[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am going to be getting married later this year.
> > We both live and work in California. My spouse
> > makes considerably less money than I do. I
> > understand that the IRS will insist that 50% of
> > our joint income be claimed on each of our
> > returns if we choose to file separately. While
> > I'm not sure that we will be filing separately,
> > I'd like to maintain all our possible options.
> > Does a pre-nuptual agreement allow our incomes
> > to be treated separately for income tax purposes
> > (both federal and state?)

> While you will get some good answers on taxation
> here, a pre-nup is a legal contract and, thus,
> should be discuss with a California Tax attorney.
> You are one more reason I should finish writing
> my book "Living in Sin for Fun and Profit".
> Dick


Here in Canada, whether you like it or not, after TWELVE months of
consecutive shacking up, YOU_ARE_MARRIED, for income tax purposes, whether
you want to be or not. It is NOT optional. Many government-paid benefits are
tied to FAMILY (adults) total net income. Declaring single to try and get
these benefits is fraud and I, as a tax preparer, refuse to a party to such
schemes.



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Old 03-18-2008, 03:43 AM
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none <hanish123[at]gmail.com> wrote:

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> I am going to be getting married later this year.
> We both live and work in California. My spouse
> makes considerably less money than I do. I
> understand that the IRS will insist that 50% of
> our joint income be claimed on each of our
> returns if we choose to file separately. While
> I'm not sure that we will be filing separately,
> I'd like to maintain all our possible options.
> Does a pre-nuptual agreement allow our incomes
> to be treated separately for income tax purposes
> (both federal and state?)


While you will get some good answers on taxation
here, a pre-nup is a legal contract and, thus,
should be discuss with a California Tax attorney.

You are one more reason I should finish writing
my book "Living in Sin for Fun and Profit".

Dick

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Old 03-18-2008, 02:50 AM
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On Mar 16, 10:57*am, Alan <sfcnm-...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
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> none wrote:
> > Hi all:
> > I am going to be getting married later this year. *We both live and
> > work in California. *My spouse makes considerably less money than I
> > do. *I understand that the IRS will insist that 50% of our joint
> > income be claimed on each of our returns if we choose to file
> > separately. *While I'm not sure that we will be filing separately, I'd
> > like to maintain all our possible options. *Does a pre-nuptual
> > agreement allow our incomes to be treated separately for income tax
> > purposes (both federal and state?)
> > Thanks!

> A prenuptial agreement may contain a clause that specifies how
> income of each is to be considered (community or separate). Note
> that these agreements should be prepared by attorneys with
> expertise in family law. Also note that the nine states with CP
> laws differ when it comes to the definition of community income.
> Another reason to use an attorney.



Also, the lower-earning spouse should not sign such an agreement
solely for tax purposes, nor for any purpose without having his or her
own, separate legal advice.

Katie in San Diego

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Old 03-16-2008, 04:57 PM
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none wrote:
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> Hi all:
> I am going to be getting married later this year. We both live and
> work in California. My spouse makes considerably less money than I
> do. I understand that the IRS will insist that 50% of our joint
> income be claimed on each of our returns if we choose to file
> separately. While I'm not sure that we will be filing separately, I'd
> like to maintain all our possible options. Does a pre-nuptual
> agreement allow our incomes to be treated separately for income tax
> purposes (both federal and state?)
> Thanks!

A prenuptial agreement may contain a clause that specifies how
income of each is to be considered (community or separate). Note
that these agreements should be prepared by attorneys with
expertise in family law. Also note that the nine states with CP
laws differ when it comes to the definition of community income.
Another reason to use an attorney.

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Old 03-16-2008, 01:15 PM
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Hi all:

I am going to be getting married later this year. We both live and
work in California. My spouse makes considerably less money than I
do. I understand that the IRS will insist that 50% of our joint
income be claimed on each of our returns if we choose to file
separately. While I'm not sure that we will be filing separately, I'd
like to maintain all our possible options. Does a pre-nuptual
agreement allow our incomes to be treated separately for income tax
purposes (both federal and state?)

Thanks!

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