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Old 03-15-2008, 01:16 PM
jmail7@andrewmitchel.com
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> Where is that specified in the regulations?

Code § 6038 provides the rules for filing Form 5471. Treas. Reg.
1.6038-2(a) specifies that Form 5471 must be filed. Treas. Reg.
1.6038-2(b) defines control for this purpose. Treas. Reg. 1.6038-2(c)
provides that Code § 318 applies with certain modifications. However,
the modification in Code § 958(b)(1) is not included in this
regulation. Treas. Reg. 1.6038-2(l) provides an exception from filing
where stock is owned via attribution. However, this exception only
applies if the U.S. person does not own any direct or indirect
interest in the foreign corporation. Because you own an interest in
the foreign corporation, this exception will not apply. Therefore,
you are attributed the stock owned by your wife for purposes of
determining control under Code § 6038. This makes you a category 4
filer. The rules for category 3 filers are generally found in Code §
6046.

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Old 03-14-2008, 06:07 PM
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> > > > US ownership is less than 50% of the company.
> > > The majority of shares are owned by my wife, who is not a US citizen and

> > never has been. We both live in England and have done for the entire time
> > the company has been in existence.
> > > > From what I understood of the rules, that makes it not a CFC, as the

> > constructive ownership rules seem to disallow it in section (b)(1).
> > > Have I interpreted that correctly, or am I mistaken?

> You have a special circumstance. You are correct that Code § 958(b)
> (1) indicates that your nonresident alien wife's shares are not
> attributed to you for purposes of determining whether the corporation
> is a CFC. Thus, I agree that the corporation would not be a CFC and
> the year end can be a non-calendar year. However, for purposes of
> filing Form 5471, you are treated as controlling the foreign
> corporation. This makes you a category 4 filer and you need to file
> Form 5471 annually. I don't recall your specific facts provided in
> other threads, but you may also be a category 3 filer and a category 2
> filer.


Where is that specified in the regulations?

Tony

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Old 03-14-2008, 04:25 PM
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> > > US ownership is less than 50% of the company.
> The majority of shares are owned by my wife, who is not a US citizen and
> never has been. *We both live in England and have done for the entire time
> the company has been in existence.
> > From what I understood of the rules, that makes it not a CFC, as the

> constructive ownership rules seem to disallow it in section (b)(1).
> Have I interpreted that correctly, or am I mistaken?


You have a special circumstance. You are correct that Code § 958(b)
(1) indicates that your nonresident alien wife's shares are not
attributed to you for purposes of determining whether the corporation
is a CFC. Thus, I agree that the corporation would not be a CFC and
the year end can be a non-calendar year. However, for purposes of
filing Form 5471, you are treated as controlling the foreign
corporation. This makes you a category 4 filer and you need to file
Form 5471 annually. I don't recall your specific facts provided in
other threads, but you may also be a category 3 filer and a category 2
filer.

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Old 03-14-2008, 01:46 PM
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<jmail7[at]andrewmitchel.com> wrote in message
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> > It appears I need to file this form. The company year ends each year on
> > February 28.
> > > US ownership is less than 50% of the company.
> > > Do I really need to recalculate the accounts to end on December 31?

> You need to make sure you understand the ownership rules to conclude
> that U.S. ownership is less than 50%. If U.S. persons, in substance,
> have control of more than 50% of the vote or of the value of the
> foreign corporation, then it would likely be a CFC.
> If you conclude that it is not a CFC, then Code § 898 does not apply
> to require a December or November year end.


The majority of shares are owned by my wife, who is not a US citizen and
never has been. We both live in England and have done for the entire time
the company has been in existence.

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> From what I understood of the rules, that makes it not a CFC, as the
constructive ownership rules seem to disallow it in section (b)(1).

Have I interpreted that correctly, or am I mistaken?

Tony

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Old 03-14-2008, 02:24 AM
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> It appears I need to file this form. *The company year ends each year on
> February 28.
> US ownership is less than 50% of the company.
> Do I really need to recalculate the accounts to end on December 31?


You need to make sure you understand the ownership rules to conclude
that U.S. ownership is less than 50%. If U.S. persons, in substance,
have control of more than 50% of the vote or of the value of the
foreign corporation, then it would likely be a CFC.

If you conclude that it is not a CFC, then Code § 898 does not apply
to require a December or November year end.

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Old 03-13-2008, 03:53 PM
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Default taxable year of foreign corporation for form 5471 and section 898

It appears I need to file this form. The company year ends each year on
February 28.

US ownership is less than 50% of the company.

Do I really need to recalculate the accounts to end on December 31?

TOny

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