AndyS <andysharpe[at]juno.com> wrote:
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I'd guess it would be more a difference between legal substance and
procedure.

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That's a procedural question, and that's the kind of thing the clerks
deal with all the time. But if you ask about a complicated tax
question that deals with income, deductions or the like, you're less
likely to get the right answer.

The other thing you have to beware of. Say the IRS tells you something
and you don't get it in writing. You realy on what they tell you, and
as a result you underpay your taxes, so they charge you interest and
penalties.

Well, the courts will uphold the assessment of both taxes and
penalties. They say you should have known better than to rely on the
IRS.

Stu

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Stuart Bronstein wrote:
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Andy writes:
I can't disagree with that... but it depends on the complexity of
the
question...

As to the question " My 1040ES hasn't arrived.... what should I
do ? "

The IRS advice, to download the form, was exactly right. It took
me all
of five minutes to have everything in order for 2008. I didn't know
the
estimated tax forms were available for download, or what they were
called....
...... and I am surprised that none of the experts in this group who
replied
knew to give that advice to the questioner....

Sounds to me like the IRS is the only institution that may give out
shallow answers, at times... ))))

Andy in Eureka, Texas

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Tom Russ <tar[at]isi.edu> wrote:
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I remember a study done a number of years ago, in which people would
call the IRS with questions. Each question was asked six time (of
different people answering the phone). For the most part researchers
got six different answers to each question, and all of the answers
(according to tax experts) were wrong.

Stu

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On Mar 14, 7:47*am, AndyS <andysha...[at]juno.com> wrote:

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That only works if you only call them once with the same question.
Otherwise it isn't unknown to get conflicting answers from the IRS
phone answers.

-Tom
A man with one watch always knows exactly what time it is. A man with
two is never quite sure.

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AndyS wrote:

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Especially now when the Service is beefing up phone
answering staffing. ;-)

Per ABC News:

"The GAO will tell a House Ways and Means subcommittee this
morning that the IRS estimates that shifting those hundreds
of collection staff to TELEPHONES will result in an
estimated REVENUE LOSS OF $681 MILLION."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicsasu...s-will-lo.html

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EB wrote:
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Andy writes:

I had the same concern, and called the IRS . The person said that
the
vouchers had not been mailed yet, and should be mailed around
13 March.... I was also told that I could download the 1040ES form
and instructions from the internet at www.irs.gov . I did that,
and
cut out the 4 vouchers to mail in if the IRS mailing to me should not
arrive in time.... The addresses of the offices to mail them to, and
the 4 vouchers, are on pages 6 and 7 of the download.....

It is much easier to call the IRS and ask the question, than to get
varied advice from a newsgroup. Just a suggestion.

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( Eureka -------... Birthplace of the World's Tallest Midget )

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Mark Bole wrote:
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Litterally speaking, a 1040ES IS a return.

Of course if "they" don't bother to send my vouchers this year, I might
not bother to send in estimated payments. (grin)

OR, I can write a letter to the commissioner requesting that he "take me
off his mailing lists."! (grin

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
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You guys must be reading a different version of 2008 Form 1040-ES
instructions than the one I downloaded on March 9th, because there are
some contradictions to what you state. Here's what it says on page 1:

"Preprinted vouchers. Because you are making estimated tax payments for
2008, estimated tax payment vouchers for 2009 will be sent to you
preprinted with your name, address, and social security number, along
with return envelopes and a copy of the instructions.

"TIP: If you do not want to receive the vouchers and envelopes, simply
begin making your estimated tax payments electronically or file your
return electronically." [note the last clause!!!]

The fact remains, multiple taxpayers have mentioned to me, corroborating
the OP's comment, that they have not received the pre-printed forms they
normally expect to receive based on years past, and they certainly did
not sign up for the EFTPS, which requires explicit enrollment (and which
is only one of three optional electronic payment options, the other two
being credit card and ACH electronic funds withdrawal).

-Mark Bole

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Harlan Lunsford wrote:
[snip]
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1040-ES instructions where it tells you just what you said.

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Alan wrote:
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By "filing electronically" they don't mean people who FILE 1040 returns
electronically, but rather those people who are registered with EFTP and
are already PAYING quarterly estimates that way.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Phil Marti wrote:
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The IRS will discontinue mailing paper Form 1040-ES, Estimated
Tax for Individuals, vouchers and envelopes to your ES clients
who file electronically. ES filers who file a paper return will
receive only one mailing instead of quarterly mailings. More
information is on the Form 1040-ES instructions.

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"EB" wrote:

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I saw an IRS release about ES vouchers within the last few days. It
mentioned that they aren't going to send them to ________________. (Sorry,
I can't remember the details.)

If you check the Newsroom at www.irs.gov you should be able to find it.

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Clarksburg, MD

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We have not yet received our 2008 Estimated Tax vouchers from the IRS.
We paid estimated taxes this past year and have always received them
in the mail. Just don't remember when they are due to arrive.

Should we be concerned? Our SSNs are pre-printed on the forms, so we
are concerned that perhaps they might get misdirected. Anybody know
what the IRS timing on sending them out is?

Thanks in advance.

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