DF2 <replyvia[at]newsgroup_please.com> wrote:
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Absolutely correct.

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Depends on what you mean by revocable. If it was considered by the law
to be a "completed gift" then the donee takes the donor's basis and
there is no stepped up basis on death of the donor. If it's not a
"completed gift" then it's the opposite.

Stu

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In misc.taxes.moderated, Arthur Kamlet wrote:

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Wouldn't that only apply if the gift was revocable?

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In misc.taxes.moderated, Billy wrote:

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It may depend on the father's basis.

As a non-expert and un-studied guess, assuming the deed change was a
gift, I would guess the basis would be the lower of the father's
basis or (the value in 1980 reduced by the factors of letting
somebody stay in the house for the life expectancy of the father at
that time).

So in other words, I expect the basis is much lower than either of
your first two alternatives. However my ideas may be quite wrong.

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"Phil Marti" <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote in message
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Marti" <prm20871[at]verizon.netNewsgroups: misc.taxes.moderated
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: House Cost Basis


: "Billy" wrote:
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: > My friend's father deeded over his house to my friend in 1980 with the
: > right to live in it till death of the father.
:
: This is impossible. Until we know exactly what happened, no one can
answer
: your question.
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: Phil Marti
: Clarksburg, MD


Father put sons name on deed as owner of property but father has right to
stay in house till death. 1980

Father died in 2006, son sold house in 2007, what is cost basis? The 1980
transaction or date of death value?

I dont know why this hard to comprehend.

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In article <47cb1457$0$24105$4c368faf[at]roadrunner.com> ,
Billy <billnospamever1234543[at]aol.com> wrote:
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Because father retained a life estate, friend did not have free and
unencumbered use of the house, certianly could not transer full title,
and so this was not a completed gift.

Leading to a cost basis of FMV on date of death.
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"Billy" wrote:

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This is impossible. Until we know exactly what happened, no one can answer
your question.

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My friend's father deeded over his house to my friend in 1980 with the right
to live in it till death of the father.

Father died in 2006 and house was sold in 2007.

What is the cost basis on house sale? At time of signing over the deed with
right to live OR when the father died in 2006?

tks all

bw

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