|
#3
| |||
| |||
| On Feb 28, 9:19*pm, sharad.sog...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > > You are not giving us all the facts we need to solve your problem.
you mention,> > But if > > you have an AMT loss of over $3,000 it is limited to $3,000 also > > *and you should then get 0 on line 16 of 6251. *You can't have a > > positive LTCG for AMT purposes, with a negative regular tax LTCG, > > *and your AMT LTCG would virtually always be *less than your regular > > LTCG. > > The evidence is that your 6251 line 16 must be negative or 0. > > You have entered something wrong. *Read the instructions on lline 31 > > of 6251 > > and I doubt you would be using Part III unless you have Quaified > > DIvidends, but > > that wouldn't cause your problem.. > The only capital gains and losses are stock related and there are no > *ISO options. I do have a small amount of qualified dividends which is > *causing me to go to Part III of Form 6251. I think the real source of > *the discrepancy is in the LTCG section of Part III (Line 37B) where > *Turbo Tax should use the value from Line 15 of Schedule D and it says > *it does do that (but it adjusts for AMT in various forms and > *worksheets). I fail to understand how Turbo Tax is arriving at this > *value. Also the same problem exists in Line 16 Worksheet G where the > values is not the same as the real loss. > *Should I safely override it so that Line 16 of form 6251 becomes 0 > as > *there is no difference in LTCG between AMT and regular tax for my > case? > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > You must have AMT adjustments on the items leading into line 15 and 16 Before you override anything I isugest you trace these items down and follow removeps-groups' suggestions. We can't really help you because we can' t see the same items you have entered somewhere that you can't find. ed -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
|
#2
| |||
| |||
| On Feb 28, 7:19 pm, sharad.sog...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > Should I safely override it so that Line 16 of form 6251 becomes 0
No, you should take the issue up with Turbo tax customer support. Youmay be able to share more details with them than on this newsgroup. If you have indeed found a bug, you should ask them to pay you something, say $5000. Also, can you look at the worksheets Turbotax creates? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
|
#1
| |||
| |||
| - quote - > You are not giving us all the facts we need to solve your problem.
The only capital gains and losses are stock related and there are no> But if > you have an AMT loss of over $3,000 it is limited to $3,000 also > *and you should then get 0 on line 16 of 6251. *You can't have a > positive LTCG for AMT purposes, with a negative regular tax LTCG, > *and your AMT LTCG would virtually always be *less than your regular > LTCG. > The evidence is that your 6251 line 16 must be negative or 0. > You have entered something wrong. *Read the instructions on lline 31 > of 6251 > and I doubt you would be using Part III unless you have Quaified > DIvidends, but > that wouldn't cause your problem.. ISO options. I do have a small amount of qualified dividends which is causing me to go to Part III of Form 6251. I think the real source of the discrepancy is in the LTCG section of Part III (Line 37B) where Turbo Tax should use the value from Line 15 of Schedule D and it says it does do that (but it adjusts for AMT in various forms and worksheets). I fail to understand how Turbo Tax is arriving at this value. Also the same problem exists in Line 16 Worksheet G where the values is not the same as the real loss. Should I safely override it so that Line 16 of form 6251 becomes 0 as there is no difference in LTCG between AMT and regular tax for my case? -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
| | |||
| |||
| On Feb 27, 1:29*pm, sharad.sog...[at]gmail.com wrote: - quote - > I fall in the *highest income tax bracket and have noticed that my
you have an AMT loss of over $3,000 it is limited to $3,000 also> long term capital gains and losses net to a loss of $9000 under the > regular rules. So, in the 1040 I have a net loss of $3000 (maximum > allowed) and the rest should be carried over. However, in form 6251, I > am noticing that these are not offsetting and I show a net gain of > $5000. So, I am being subject to an extra tax on $5000 + $3000 using > AMT. Worse yet, it appears that my original loss of $9000 cannot be > carried over. I > Is my analysis correct or do I need to override the numbers on Form > 6251 to have the same long term loss of $3000. > I have already done an extensive search and cannot find a conclusive > answer. > Thanks. > -- > << ------------------------------------------------------- > > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, * > > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties *> > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. * * * * * * * * *> > << * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > << * The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts * > > << *to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy *> > << * * * * * * * * *are atwww.asktax.org. * * * * * * * * > > << * * * * Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. * * * * > > << ------------------------------------------------------- > You are not giving us all the facts we need to solve your problem. But if and you should then get 0 on line 16 of 6251. You can't have a positive LTCG for AMT purposes, with a negative regular tax LTCG, and your AMT LTCG would virtually always be less than your regular LTCG. The evidence is that your 6251 line 16 must be negative or 0. You have entered something wrong. Read the instructions on lline 31 of 6251 and I doubt you would be using Part III unless you have Quaified DIvidends, but that wouldn't cause your problem.. ed -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
|
#-1
| |||
| |||
| I fall in the highest income tax bracket and have noticed that my long term capital gains and losses net to a loss of $9000 under the regular rules. So, in the 1040 I have a net loss of $3000 (maximum allowed) and the rest should be carried over. However, in form 6251, I am noticing that these are not offsetting and I show a net gain of $5000. So, I am being subject to an extra tax on $5000 + $3000 using AMT. Worse yet, it appears that my original loss of $9000 cannot be carried over. I Is my analysis correct or do I need to override the numbers on Form 6251 to have the same long term loss of $3000. I have already done an extensive search and cannot find a conclusive answer. Thanks. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
| Tags |
| 6251, amt, capital, form, gains, long, losses, offsetting, term |
Similar Threads | ||||
| Thread | Forum | Replies | Last Post | |
| Can a short term capital loss balance long term capital gains? Judy: My boss sold his house (lucky guy) at a price well above basis and over his $250,000 exclusion. He has a lot of stock losses this year. Can he use... | Financial Planning | 1 | 10-19-2008 01:17 PM | |
| long term versus short term capital losses... Geoff: I will have a great deal of long term capital gains this year. I need to raise some cash by selling off investments. The only losses available to... | Taxes | 6 | 09-25-2007 12:48 AM | |
| Short Term Capital Gains and Long Term Capital Losses PeterOut: (Under US tax law) can you offset short term capital gains with long term capital losses. Thanks, Peter. <<... | Taxes | 4 | 01-15-2007 06:07 AM | |
| eliminating the long term capital gains tax malibu.ron@verizon.net: There was considerable talk about reducing or possibly eliminating the long term capital gains tax. I would appreciate knowing where the... | Taxes | 3 | 06-16-2006 07:19 AM | |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
| |