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Old 02-22-2008, 01:33 AM
D. Stussy
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Default Re: 1099 - Misc for auto expense reimbursement

"Phil Marti" <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "D. Stussy" wrote:
> > If this year's from 2106 (Line 7 - I haven't done one of those in a

while)
> > has a line for employer reimbursement, that's really where it should go.
> > Form 8919 would be applicable to the extent there was EXCESS
> > reimbursement.
> > That does produce a different (lower) answer of tax due.

> I disagree. What you are talking about would be the treatment of excess
> payments under an accountable plan.


Perhaps so, but the form doesn't make that distinction. All is says is
include the amount NOT reported on box 1 of form W-2. Reimbursement on a
1099 is NOT on the form W-2. Maybe that's not supposed to happen, but
following the instructions still puts it on the 2106.

- quote -

> > From facts in the OP we are apparently talking about a nonaccountable
> reimbursement plan. All payments to the employee are fully taxable as

wages
> and reported on the W-2 ( Pub 15). The employee is stuck will the

Schedule
> A employee business expense deduction.


Which would work if it were reported via a W-2. It wasn't. The employer,
by omittng it from box 1 of the W-2, isn't saying that it's a
non-accountable plan.

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Old 02-21-2008, 01:15 PM
Benjamin Yazersky CPA
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On Feb 20, 5:48 pm, SMF <smf...[at]comcast.net> wrote:
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> We got a 1099-Misc with $5000 in Box 3 Other Income. This was a
> reimbursement for auto expenses of an employee. I understand how to
> deduct the employee expenses on Sch A but not sure if the $5000 goes
> on Other Income Line 21 on the front of my 1040. Someone said it had
> to go on Sch C. Advice? They reimburse at the fed 48.5 We loose out
> with the limitation on Sch A where it goes. IF it somehow went on Sch
> C it would be a wash.
> --



If you are an employee, then you should not be getting a 1099 from
your employer. All income belongs on the W2. It belongs in the box
labeled wages & other income. The tax treatment of the reimbursement
can vary depending on whether it qualifies as an accountable plan or
not.


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Old 02-21-2008, 05:45 AM
Phil Marti
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Default Re: 1099 - Misc for auto expense reimbursement

"D. Stussy" wrote:

- quote -

> If this year's from 2106 (Line 7 - I haven't done one of those in a while)
> has a line for employer reimbursement, that's really where it should go.
> Form 8919 would be applicable to the extent there was EXCESS
> reimbursement.
> That does produce a different (lower) answer of tax due.


I disagree. What you are talking about would be the treatment of excess
payments under an accountable plan.

- quote -

> From facts in the OP we are apparently talking about a nonaccountable
reimbursement plan. All payments to the employee are fully taxable as wages
and reported on the W-2 ( Pub 15). The employee is stuck will the Schedule
A employee business expense deduction.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: 1099 - Misc for auto expense reimbursement

"Phil Marti" <prm20871[at]verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MH2vj.9147$kI4.3936[at]trnddc05... "SMF" wrote:
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> > We got a 1099-Misc with $5000 in Box 3 Other Income. This was a
> > reimbursement for auto expenses of an employee.

> It was incorrect. The $5,000 should have been included in Box 1 wages of
> the W-2. I'll be charitable and say that the employer is confused, but
> there's also the chance that the employer is trying to avoid the

employer's
> share of FICA and Medicare (and perhaps FUTA).
> If the employer won't correct the W-2, do the following:
> 1. Include the $5,000 with wages on line 7 of the 1040.
> 2. File Form 8919 with your 1040 to calculate and pay the employee's

share
> of FICA/Medicare.


If this year's from 2106 (Line 7 - I haven't done one of those in a while)
has a line for employer reimbursement, that's really where it should go.
Form 8919 would be applicable to the extent there was EXCESS reimbursement.
That does produce a different (lower) answer of tax due.

You should file the form 2106 even if you DON'T have a Schedule A - because
it has to show the reimbursement.

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Old 02-20-2008, 10:35 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"SMF" <smfwdf[at]comcast.net> wrote
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> We got a 1099-Misc with $5000 in Box 3 Other Income. This was a
> reimbursement for auto expenses of an employee. I understand how to
> deduct the employee expenses on Sch A but not sure if the $5000 goes
> on Other Income Line 21 on the front of my 1040. Someone said it had
> to go on Sch C. Advice? They reimburse at the fed 48.5 We loose out
> with the limitation on Sch A where it goes. IF it somehow went on Sch
> C it would be a wash.





If you "account" to your employer, meaning you turn in mileage records, etc,
then they are doing it wrong. It's not income to you at all.


If they just give you $100 a week (and you're on vacation for two weeks,
that comes to $5,000 even) then it's a non-accountable plan and it is income
to you.

It shouldn't be reported on the 1099 though, as it should be reported as
additional wages and reported through your W-2.

In a non-accountable plan you would then deduct your actual expenses on
Schedule A.




Get your employer to correct this if it's wrong, and may see if they'll
change plans to an accountable plan (if you don't have one now) which
benefits you with no real downside to him.



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Athens, Georgia

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Old 02-20-2008, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: 1099 - Misc for auto expense reimbursement

"SMF" wrote:

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> We got a 1099-Misc with $5000 in Box 3 Other Income. This was a
> reimbursement for auto expenses of an employee.


It was incorrect. The $5,000 should have been included in Box 1 wages of
the W-2. I'll be charitable and say that the employer is confused, but
there's also the chance that the employer is trying to avoid the employer's
share of FICA and Medicare (and perhaps FUTA).

If the employer won't correct the W-2, do the following:

1. Include the $5,000 with wages on line 7 of the 1040.

2. File Form 8919 with your 1040 to calculate and pay the employee's share
of FICA/Medicare.

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Clarksburg, MD

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Old 02-20-2008, 09:48 PM
SMF
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Default 1099 - Misc for auto expense reimbursement

We got a 1099-Misc with $5000 in Box 3 Other Income. This was a
reimbursement for auto expenses of an employee. I understand how to
deduct the employee expenses on Sch A but not sure if the $5000 goes
on Other Income Line 21 on the front of my 1040. Someone said it had
to go on Sch C. Advice? They reimburse at the fed 48.5 We loose out
with the limitation on Sch A where it goes. IF it somehow went on Sch
C it would be a wash.

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