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| In article <42bac73a-16b1-4d66-b443-677aafca0509[at]e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> , "removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if
This seems very unlikely. I suspect most people view the refund as a> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck, > they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back > like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA, > regular savings, etc. windfall or gift from the government. Which is why they're disappointed when they're not getting one. And when they get it, they rush to buy "stuff" with it. What about the "stimulus package" checks that are going to be coming this year? Do you expect most people to put this into their savings? That's not what the feds are expecting -- money in IRAs doesn't stimulate the economy. -- Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote - quote - > So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if > they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck, > they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back > like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA, > regular savings, etc. Who do you know, and where do these people live? -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote: - quote - > On Feb 19, 8:48 pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
Um, yeah, that's why RALs are so popular. People want to borrow that> > But his friends are all getting refunds and > > he says it's my fault he isn't getting one! > > I told him to tell his friends that instead > > of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been > > earning interest all year. > So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if > they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck, > they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back > like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA, > regular savings, etc. money so they can get it into an IRA or savings ASAP. 8-) -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 20, 4:47*pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps- gro...[at]yahoo.com> wrote: - quote - > So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. *For most people, if
This is completely anecdotal, but I have many more clients that> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck, > they're likely to spend all of it. *But if you get a lot of money back > like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA, > regular savings, etc. contribute to retirement plans (IRA, Roth, 403b, etc) via monthly electronic funds transfer than I do that make lump sum deposits. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 19, 8:48*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: - quote - > But his friends are all getting refunds and
So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if> he says it's my fault he isn't getting one! > I told him to tell his friends that instead > of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been > earning interest all year. they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck, they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA, regular savings, etc. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| On Feb 19, 8:48*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: - quote - > My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on > Wednesday the 20th. *In 2005, he filled out > his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld > his taxes and he got a refund. *For some > reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he > asked me to fill it out and, of course, he > had zero withholdings. > But his friends are all getting refunds and > he says it's my fault he isn't getting one! > I told him to tell his friends that instead > of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been > earning interest all year. > He gave me a dismissive look and started to > walk away. *When I said "Hey, Josh, I can > get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok > with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck. > He looked at me like I was crazy and said > "No way." > Dick You expect gratitude from your son??!! -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "NadCixelsyd" <nadcixelsyd[at]aol.com> wrote - quote - > Thirty years ago I worked for H&R for one tax season. After doing one > couples taxes, I told them that their tax liability for the year was > $2600. They were aghast. "Wait", I told them, "You've already paid > $3200 so you will be getting a refund of $600." > They were not concerned about the amount of the tax. They were only > concerned about the amount of the refund. Needless to say, I changed > the way I presented the news at subsequent tax returns. > Personally, I wish there was NO withholding. If everyone had to write > a check on April 15th, I'm sure Congress would be spending a lot less > than they are today. Especially if we went to the polls to vote on April 17th. Write that big check, then vote the ba$%^&ds out of office. -- Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| - quote - > Your son's arithmetic and financial literacy are about average for the
couples taxes, I told them that their tax liability for the year was> American public, unfortunately. Thirty years ago I worked for H&R for one tax season. After doing one $2600. They were aghast. "Wait", I told them, "You've already paid $3200 so you will be getting a refund of $600." They were not concerned about the amount of the tax. They were only concerned about the amount of the refund. Needless to say, I changed the way I presented the news at subsequent tax returns. Personally, I wish there was NO withholding. If everyone had to write a check on April 15th, I'm sure Congress would be spending a lot less than they are today. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| rdadams[at]panix.com (Dick*Adams) posted: - quote - > My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
Thanks for sharing that, Dick. It says so very much about the complete> Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out his > W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld his > taxes and he got a refund. For some reason, > they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he asked > me to fill it out and, of course, he had zero > withholdings. > But his friends are all getting refunds and he > says it's my fault he isn't getting one! I told him > to tell his friends that instead of overpaying his > taxes, his refund has been earning interest all > year. > He gave me a dismissive look and started to > walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can get > you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok with you > to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck. He > looked at me like I was crazy and said "No > way." lack of basic economic education in today's schools. Bill -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| Dick Adams wrote: - quote - > My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
Your son's arithmetic and financial literacy are about average for the> Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out > his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld > his taxes and he got a refund. For some > reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he > asked me to fill it out and, of course, he > had zero withholdings. > But his friends are all getting refunds and > he says it's my fault he isn't getting one! > I told him to tell his friends that instead > of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been > earning interest all year. > He gave me a dismissive look and started to > walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can > get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok > with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck. > He looked at me like I was crazy and said > "No way." > Dick American public, unfortunately. -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| "Dick Adams" wrote: ....a tale too sad to quote. When they're young they step on your toes. When they grow up, they step on your heart. -- Phil Marti Clarksburg, MD -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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| My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld his taxes and he got a refund. For some reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he asked me to fill it out and, of course, he had zero withholdings. But his friends are all getting refunds and he says it's my fault he isn't getting one! I told him to tell his friends that instead of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been earning interest all year. He gave me a dismissive look and started to walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck. He looked at me like I was crazy and said "No way." Dick -- << ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- > |
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