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Old 02-21-2008, 01:11 AM
Barry Margolin
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<42bac73a-16b1-4d66-b443-677aafca0509[at]e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> ,
"removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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> So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if
> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck,
> they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back
> like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA,
> regular savings, etc.


This seems very unlikely. I suspect most people view the refund as a
windfall or gift from the government. Which is why they're disappointed
when they're not getting one. And when they get it, they rush to buy
"stuff" with it.

What about the "stimulus package" checks that are going to be coming
this year? Do you expect most people to put this into their savings?
That's not what the feds are expecting -- money in IRAs doesn't
stimulate the economy.

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Barry Margolin, barmar[at]alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:33 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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<removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote
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> So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if
> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck,
> they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back
> like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA,
> regular savings, etc.





Who do you know, and where do these people live?





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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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Old 02-20-2008, 10:29 PM
rlsusenet@NOSPAMPUHLEEZschnapp.org
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removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Feb 19, 8:48 pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
> > But his friends are all getting refunds and
> > he says it's my fault he isn't getting one!
> > I told him to tell his friends that instead
> > of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been
> > earning interest all year.

> So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if
> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck,
> they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back
> like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA,
> regular savings, etc.


Um, yeah, that's why RALs are so popular. People want to borrow that
money so they can get it into an IRA or savings ASAP. 8-)

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Old 02-20-2008, 10:29 PM
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On Feb 20, 4:47*pm, "removeps-gro...[at]yahoo.com" <removeps-
gro...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:


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> So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. *For most people, if
> they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck,
> they're likely to spend all of it. *But if you get a lot of money back
> like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA,
> regular savings, etc.


This is completely anecdotal, but I have many more clients that
contribute to retirement plans (IRA, Roth, 403b, etc) via monthly
electronic funds transfer than I do that make lump sum deposits.

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Old 02-20-2008, 09:47 PM
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On Feb 19, 8:48*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:

- quote -

> But his friends are all getting refunds and
> he says it's my fault he isn't getting one!
> I told him to tell his friends that instead
> of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been
> earning interest all year.


So I'd like to take the contrarian position here. For most people, if
they reduce their withholdings and go home with a bigger paycheck,
they're likely to spend all of it. But if you get a lot of money back
like $1000, you'll be tempted to put all or part of it into an IRA,
regular savings, etc.

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Old 02-20-2008, 05:03 PM
PeterL
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On Feb 19, 8:48*pm, rdad...[at]panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote:
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> My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
> Wednesday the 20th. *In 2005, he filled out
> his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld
> his taxes and he got a refund. *For some
> reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he
> asked me to fill it out and, of course, he
> had zero withholdings.
> But his friends are all getting refunds and
> he says it's my fault he isn't getting one!
> I told him to tell his friends that instead
> of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been
> earning interest all year.
> He gave me a dismissive look and started to
> walk away. *When I said "Hey, Josh, I can
> get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok
> with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck.
> He looked at me like I was crazy and said
> "No way."
> Dick



You expect gratitude from your son??!!

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Old 02-20-2008, 04:19 PM
Paul Thomas, CPA
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"NadCixelsyd" <nadcixelsyd[at]aol.com> wrote
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> Thirty years ago I worked for H&R for one tax season. After doing one
> couples taxes, I told them that their tax liability for the year was
> $2600. They were aghast. "Wait", I told them, "You've already paid
> $3200 so you will be getting a refund of $600."
> They were not concerned about the amount of the tax. They were only
> concerned about the amount of the refund. Needless to say, I changed
> the way I presented the news at subsequent tax returns.
> Personally, I wish there was NO withholding. If everyone had to write
> a check on April 15th, I'm sure Congress would be spending a lot less
> than they are today.






Especially if we went to the polls to vote on April 17th.



Write that big check, then vote the ba$%^&ds out of office.





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Athens, Georgia

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:25 PM
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> Your son's arithmetic and financial literacy are about average for the
> American public, unfortunately.

Thirty years ago I worked for H&R for one tax season. After doing one
couples taxes, I told them that their tax liability for the year was
$2600. They were aghast. "Wait", I told them, "You've already paid
$3200 so you will be getting a refund of $600."

They were not concerned about the amount of the tax. They were only
concerned about the amount of the refund. Needless to say, I changed
the way I presented the news at subsequent tax returns.

Personally, I wish there was NO withholding. If everyone had to write
a check on April 15th, I'm sure Congress would be spending a lot less
than they are today.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Bill
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rdadams[at]panix.com (Dick*Adams) posted:

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> My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
> Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out his
> W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld his
> taxes and he got a refund. For some reason,
> they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he asked
> me to fill it out and, of course, he had zero
> withholdings.


> But his friends are all getting refunds and he
> says it's my fault he isn't getting one! I told him
> to tell his friends that instead of overpaying his
> taxes, his refund has been earning interest all
> year.


> He gave me a dismissive look and started to
> walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can get
> you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok with you
> to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck. He
> looked at me like I was crazy and said "No
> way."


Thanks for sharing that, Dick. It says so very much about the complete
lack of basic economic education in today's schools.

Bill

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Old 02-20-2008, 11:55 AM
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Dick Adams wrote:
- quote -

> My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
> Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out
> his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld
> his taxes and he got a refund. For some
> reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he
> asked me to fill it out and, of course, he
> had zero withholdings.
> But his friends are all getting refunds and
> he says it's my fault he isn't getting one!
> I told him to tell his friends that instead
> of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been
> earning interest all year.
> He gave me a dismissive look and started to
> walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can
> get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok
> with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck.
> He looked at me like I was crazy and said
> "No way."
> Dick


Your son's arithmetic and financial literacy are about average for the
American public, unfortunately.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:04 AM
Phil Marti
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"Dick Adams" wrote:

....a tale too sad to quote.

When they're young they step on your toes. When they grow up, they step on
your heart.

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Clarksburg, MD

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:48 AM
Dick Adams
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Default Talk about gratitude!

My son "Joshua the Mercenary" turns 17 on
Wednesday the 20th. In 2005, he filled out
his W-4 and, of course, they overwithheld
his taxes and he got a refund. For some
reason, they gave him a W-4 for 2006 and he
asked me to fill it out and, of course, he
had zero withholdings.

But his friends are all getting refunds and
he says it's my fault he isn't getting one!
I told him to tell his friends that instead
of overpaying his taxes, his refund has been
earning interest all year.

He gave me a dismissive look and started to
walk away. When I said "Hey, Josh, I can
get you a $1000 refund next year if it's ok
with you to get $20 to $30 less each paycheck.
He looked at me like I was crazy and said
"No way."

Dick

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