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Old 02-19-2008, 12:11 AM
Mark Bole
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Default Re: 1099Q, does it show up on my return?

removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com wrote:
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> On Feb 15, 7:28 pm, kam...[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:
> > In article <Gvptj.75127$k27.2...[at]bignews2.bellsouth.net> ,
> > > > Don't make the mistake of taking money out in late 2007 to pay for 2008
> > > > tuition, then a portion of the earnings *are* subject to tax and penalty
> > > > for 2007.

> Where is this rule? I could not find it in http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch08.html,
> but might have missed it.
> > > Oops, I *did* make this mistake! My son's spring 2008 tuition was due the
> > > first week of January so I requested a withdrawal from the 529 account in
> > > late December to make sure it got to the college on time.
> > > However, I did pay his 2008 tuition, room and board in late December 2007,
> > > so can't I count those amounts as "qualified higher education expenses for
> > > 2007 " since I PAID them in 2007? If I do that, no tax is owed on the QTP
> > > earnings - at least that's how TurboTax computes it.

> > Correct.

> Are you saying correct to paragraph 1 or 2?


One thing is clear: any education-related benefits, whether QTP
distributions, Hope or Lifetime Learning Credit, or Tuition and Fees
deduction, will only be available in 2007 for payments made in 2007.

All of the above except QTP specifically state in Pub 970 that payments
used for tax benefits in 2007 must be made for an academic period
beginning in 2007 or the first three months of 2008. In other words, you
can't pre-pay several years' worth of tuition and get a benefit all in
one year. However Pub 970 is conspicuously silent on this item when it
comes to QTP distributions.

(side observation: this is conspicuously similar to the ability to use
HSA distributions to pay for medical expenses incurred many years in the
past...)

My comment in particular was meant: don't take money out of the QTP in
late 2007 because you know you will have a bill coming up in 2008 (for
example, you'd rather make one convenient "estimated" withdrawal than
several exact-number withdrawals). The amount of earnings you took out
in 2007 that you didn't actually use to pay qualified expenses until
2008 would be subject to tax and penalty.

-Mark Bole

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Old 02-17-2008, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: 1099Q, does it show up on my return?

On Feb 15, 7:28 pm, kam...[at]panix.com (Arthur Kamlet) wrote:
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> In article <Gvptj.75127$k27.2...[at]bignews2.bellsouth.net> ,

> > > Don't make the mistake of taking money out in late 2007 to pay for 2008
> > > tuition, then a portion of the earnings *are* subject to tax and penalty
> > > for 2007.


Where is this rule? I could not find it in http://www.irs.gov/publications/p970/ch08.html,
but might have missed it.

- quote -

> > Oops, I *did* make this mistake! My son's spring 2008 tuition was due the
> > first week of January so I requested a withdrawal from the 529 account in
> > late December to make sure it got to the college on time.


> > However, I did pay his 2008 tuition, room and board in late December 2007,
> > so can't I count those amounts as "qualified higher education expenses for
> > 2007 " since I PAID them in 2007? If I do that, no tax is owed on the QTP
> > earnings - at least that's how TurboTax computes it.

> Correct.


Are you saying correct to paragraph 1 or 2?

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Old 02-16-2008, 02:28 AM
Arthur Kamlet
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Default Re: 1099Q, does it show up on my return?

In article <Gvptj.75127$k27.2077[at]bignews2.bellsouth.net> ,
Vigo <sbrivas[at]bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> "Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:059tj.6131$xq2.4653[at]newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> > > Don't make the mistake of taking money out in late 2007 to pay for 2008

> > tuition, then a portion of the earnings *are* subject to tax and penalty
> > for 2007.

> Oops, I *did* make this mistake! My son's spring 2008 tuition was due the
> first week of January so I requested a withdrawal from the 529 account in
> late December to make sure it got to the college on time.
> However, I did pay his 2008 tuition, room and board in late December 2007,
> so can't I count those amounts as "qualified higher education expenses for
> 2007 " since I PAID them in 2007? If I do that, no tax is owed on the QTP
> earnings - at least that's how TurboTax computes it.



Correct.
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:53 PM
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"Mark Bole" <makbo[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:059tj.6131$xq2.4653[at]newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
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> Taxlover wrote:
> > <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:95ecb553-ed87-4718-a9c4-ea43745e7e48[at]e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...


> > > If you used the money for non-qualified purposes, then you have to add
> > > a portion of it as Other Income and also pay a 10% penalty (on some
> > > line near total Tax on page 2). Qualified purposes are tutition,
> > > books, room and board, etc. See the publication for more details.
> > > > As I said, I used it for tuition. Does it get entered on my tax return

> > anywhere?

> Don't make the mistake of taking money out in late 2007 to pay for 2008
> tuition, then a portion of the earnings *are* subject to tax and penalty
> for 2007.
> -Mark Bole


Oops, I *did* make this mistake! My son's spring 2008 tuition was due the
first week of January so I requested a withdrawal from the 529 account in
late December to make sure it got to the college on time.

However, I did pay his 2008 tuition, room and board in late December 2007,
so can't I count those amounts as "qualified higher education expenses for
2007 " since I PAID them in 2007? If I do that, no tax is owed on the QTP
earnings - at least that's how TurboTax computes it.

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<< ------------------------------------------------------- > << The foregoing was not intended or written to be used, > << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties > << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. > << > << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts > << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy > << are at www.asktax.org. > << Copyright (2007) - All rights reserved. > << ------------------------------------------------------- >
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:06 AM
Mark Bole
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Taxlover wrote:
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> <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:95ecb553-ed87-4718-a9c4-ea43745e7e48[at]e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 14, 8:07 am, "Taxlover" <taxlo...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I have a 1099Q for money withdrawn from my 529 to pay my college tuition.
> > > I
> > > realize I don't have to pay taxes on the earnings, but does it even show
> > > up
> > > on my tax return?

> > If you used the money for non-qualified purposes, then you have to add
> > a portion of it as Other Income and also pay a 10% penalty (on some
> > line near total Tax on page 2). Qualified purposes are tutition,
> > books, room and board, etc. See the publication for more details.
> > As I said, I used it for tuition. Does it get entered on my tax return

> anywhere?


Don't make the mistake of taking money out in late 2007 to pay for 2008
tuition, then a portion of the earnings *are* subject to tax and penalty
for 2007.

-Mark Bole

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Old 02-14-2008, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: 1099Q, does it show up on my return?

Taxlover wrote:
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> <removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:95ecb553-ed87-4718-a9c4-ea43745e7e48[at]e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 14, 8:07 am, "Taxlover" <taxlo...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I have a 1099Q for money withdrawn from my 529 to pay my college tuition.
> > > I
> > > realize I don't have to pay taxes on the earnings, but does it even show
> > > up
> > > on my tax return?

> > If you used the money for non-qualified purposes, then you have to add
> > a portion of it as Other Income and also pay a 10% penalty (on some
> > line near total Tax on page 2). Qualified purposes are tutition,
> > books, room and board, etc. See the publication for more details.
> > As I said, I used it for tuition. Does it get entered on my tax return

> anywhere?

Nope.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Old 02-14-2008, 06:44 PM
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<removeps-groups[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95ecb553-ed87-4718-a9c4-ea43745e7e48[at]e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> On Feb 14, 8:07 am, "Taxlover" <taxlo...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I have a 1099Q for money withdrawn from my 529 to pay my college tuition.
> > I
> > realize I don't have to pay taxes on the earnings, but does it even show
> > up
> > on my tax return?

> If you used the money for non-qualified purposes, then you have to add
> a portion of it as Other Income and also pay a 10% penalty (on some
> line near total Tax on page 2). Qualified purposes are tutition,
> books, room and board, etc. See the publication for more details.

As I said, I used it for tuition. Does it get entered on my tax return
anywhere?

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Old 02-14-2008, 04:25 PM
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On Feb 14, 8:07 am, "Taxlover" <taxlo...[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

- quote -

> I have a 1099Q for money withdrawn from my 529 to pay my college tuition. I
> realize I don't have to pay taxes on the earnings, but does it even show up
> on my tax return?


If you used the money for non-qualified purposes, then you have to add
a portion of it as Other Income and also pay a 10% penalty (on some
line near total Tax on page 2). Qualified purposes are tutition,
books, room and board, etc. See the publication for more details.

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Old 02-14-2008, 03:07 PM
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Default 1099Q, does it show up on my return?

I have a 1099Q for money withdrawn from my 529 to pay my college tuition. I
realize I don't have to pay taxes on the earnings, but does it even show up
on my tax return?

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